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zimmerstutzen 
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03-16-18 01:07 PM - Post#1674626    

    In response to Kansas Jake

the ram rod will stop at the leading edge of the drum. it will not go further to the breech. Because the drum is threaded through the breech plug and then a funnel shaped hole is drilled from the muzzle into the face of the breech plug until it meets the flash channel in the drum. The hole into the breech face is probably only about 3/8 and funnels down from there. If you stick a piece of stiff wire down the barrel, it will go just slightly further than the ram rod. But it will not go past the flash channel in the drum. If you shine a bright light down the bore, you should see it through the flash channel in the drum.

The nipple sounds like one of those new fangled things that folks use on cap and ball revolvers. It has no place on a muzzle loader pistol or rifle. You want all the force of the percussion caps forcing flame through that tiny hole and into the flash channel. Those holes just let pressure escape.

 
Grenadier1758 
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03-16-18 03:58 PM - Post#1674670    

    In response to Adui

where does the tip of the ball puller stop? You could have so much dried grease at the breech that you can't blow through and the ball puller is hitting the face of the breech. You might see the ball puller when the clean out screw is removed.

Its not uncommon for a bit of the drum to protrude into the bore and stop the ram rod.

Compressed air to start to see if you can clear the breech.

 
Kansas Jake 
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03-16-18 04:40 PM - Post#1674678    

    In response to Adui



 
Adui 
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03-16-18 05:04 PM - Post#1674681    

    In response to Grenadier1758

After the info I've leared here Im thinking you may be correct. Compressed air wont hurt it, and will definitely let me know if it is clear so Im going forward with that plan this eveningwhen I get home. Would be really nice if my original assesment was correct and this thing hasnt ever been fired
"I hope to be at least half as good as my dog believes me to be." Unknown Author

Best regards;
Terry


 
Zonie 
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03-16-18 07:05 PM - Post#1674701    

    In response to Adui

I know this is going to sound weird but since you have the cleanout screw removed, if the nipple is out of the drum, use your finger to cover the nipple hole.

Now, put the end of the drum to your lips and give a good suck on it.

If you can't suck any air out of the cleanout hole, there's something in the barrel plugging it.

If you can suck air thru the drum hole, there is nothing in the barrel.

As others have said, most of the CVA sidelock guns had a breech that looks like the drawing in the upper right side this picture:




Notice, the ramrod will stop just about where the drum is.
Just Jim...



 
jdw276 
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03-16-18 07:48 PM - Post#1674705    

    In response to Zonie

Shouldn't you be able to blow down the muzzle end? I know we don't talk about blowing down the barrel but I think this is a bit different twist on that PRACTICE?

With the nipple and clean out screw should be able to get air through it if nothing is there?

Edited by jdw276 on 03-16-18 07:49 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Zonie 
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03-16-18 08:10 PM - Post#1674711    

    In response to jdw276

Yes, that would work.

The reason I mentioned sucking on the opened cleanout hole is because the volume of the hole between it and the bore is small so it is fast and easy to get a vacuum in that area.

Just a little leak will easily be detected in ones mouth by using that method.

Blowing down the bore on the other hand fills quite a large space with some pressure and given time I suppose a person could figure out if the pressure was going down but I think the vacuum method would be quicker and easier to detect a change if there was one.
Just Jim...



 
Adui 
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03-16-18 09:01 PM - Post#1674716    

    In response to Zonie

No ball in the bore. Just lots og grease that reminds me a lot of the cosmoline my Russian unmentionable was packed in.

I do believe Ive purchased an unfired pistol!
"I hope to be at least half as good as my dog believes me to be." Unknown Author

Best regards;
Terry


Edited by Adui on 03-16-18 09:01 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Adui 
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03-16-18 09:03 PM - Post#1674717    

    In response to Adui

Oh, and Im glad I didnt read this before testing it. Had I sucked on the drum with the cleaning screw out Id have gotten that plug of grease in my mouth that I blew out the hole when I blew down the barrel...
"I hope to be at least half as good as my dog believes me to be." Unknown Author

Best regards;
Terry


 
Kansas Jake 
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03-17-18 08:28 AM - Post#1674761    

    In response to Adui

Congratulations on a good outcome and no gunk in the mouth.

 
Adui 
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03-18-18 06:51 PM - Post#1675005    

    In response to Kansas Jake

Didn't get to shoot it this weekend. Too many chores and I'm a bit lazy about what time I roll out of bed on my Sunday morning!

The plan is to meet up wit ha fellow forum member next Sunday and get her firing good! (Will also bring my tried and true Traditions Hawkin .50 rifle as well!)
"I hope to be at least half as good as my dog believes me to be." Unknown Author

Best regards;
Terry


 
Smokey Plainsman 
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03-19-18 08:31 PM - Post#1675169    

    In response to Adui

They need a belt hook.

 
Adui 
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03-19-18 08:37 PM - Post#1675173    

    In response to Smokey Plainsman

  • Smokey Plainsman Said:
They need a belt hook.


My son already is asking about that LOL!! He wants me to put one on it so he can "carry it like they did in the old day"

Sadly, we didnt get to go shoot it this weekend. Stuff happened..
"I hope to be at least half as good as my dog believes me to be." Unknown Author

Best regards;
Terry


 
azmntman 
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03-19-18 10:09 PM - Post#1675189    

    In response to Adui

If there is one thing I'm tired of its........STUFF

Next weekend fer sure!

 
zimmerstutzen 
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03-20-18 08:40 AM - Post#1675220    

    In response to azmntman

Had a friend who worked very hard his entire life as a forklift driver in a warehouse. He had short bucket list of relatively simple things he wanted to do. Nothing was extravagant or exotic. In fact the four items were pretty mundane. He came down with cancer his last year on the job. I wrote his will shortly after his diagnosis. We talked briefly about his bucket list and I urged him to go do those things. Two of the things were so simple, I was surprised he hadn't already done those. He mournfully replied, that "Life got in the way." He worked up to the point where his accumulated sick leave would coast him through to his retirement date. Comes spring, there was a weekend rondy he always attended, but was too sick, so we arranged for some of his buckskinner friends to come and spend the weekend in his yard for a last rondy for him. He and his wife's 35 th anniversary was to be his last day before retirement. He asked me to pick up a gift and flowers for his wife, if he couldn't. That day he was very sick and could barely move, so I got a gift and flowers for him to give her. The next day, the first of his retirement, he died. Whenever there is something I consider doing and upon second thought, postpone it, his words come back to haunt me. Life gets in the way.

Edited by zimmerstutzen on 03-20-18 08:45 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
azmntman 
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03-20-18 08:54 AM - Post#1675223    

    In response to zimmerstutzen

I'm learnin. When I first started my business (on my own) I would race like a dog upstairs to the "office" to catch a phone call before it went to voice mail. Lasted like 10 years? Then one day it rang and the wife looked up as I continued to eat my lunch with a weird look. Voice mail will get it I said. I used to "baby" my best clients. Lasted about 15-20 years till I learned they dont care, you baby em, cut invoice, give em discounts and next thing ya know they are using yer competition and happily paying more. I stopped that too and raised my rates.

Soooo if ya can possibly get away with blowing "life" off get them boys and head to the range. Whatever ya have to do will be there for ya 20 years from now.....the boys? They wont.
But remember they will be watching and when yer grand kids (I am still waiting) wanna go to the creek, or range or what have you, yer boys will ether let life get in the way or go fishing

 
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