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tenngun 
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tenngun
03-11-18 11:31 AM - Post#1673765    

    In response to Artificer

Every people everywhere have done evil and good in equal measure. The island of Britain was the home of a Neolithic people, invaded by another Neolithic people invaded by celts, Romans Germans Scandinavians from Denmark and Norway then from Normandy. Irish pirates were making slave raids in Britain for centuries before the The Brits enslaved Ireland.
Mesoamerican had wars just to get captives to sacrifice to the Gods. Several Polynesian ran fleets of warships dedicated to enslaving and driving out other people’s from the best islands.
Land belongs to the people that can hold it.

 
Frenchman 
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03-13-18 07:03 AM - Post#1674065    

    In response to tenngun

Was watching any wonder if the rifles where correct they look like muskets not flint lock long guns

 
tenngun 
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tenngun
03-13-18 04:18 PM - Post#1674119    

    In response to Frenchman

I think I saw a enfield percussion in the background, several cut down besses

 
Black Hand 
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03-13-18 05:36 PM - Post#1674132    

    In response to tenngun

I saw more than one percussion gun.

I'm still curious about the magic flintlocks that shoot with the frizzen open and the pan empty...

 
SacramentoJohnson 
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03-13-18 07:51 PM - Post#1674155    

    In response to Ghettogun

Very, very poorly done in my opinion. My husband and I started trying to find things they got right and gave up after a few minutes; the errors were so odious, from the clothes, the hats (oh my!), the rifles (mostly smoothbores with a number of percussions and even a sharps!), the forest (it was filmed in New Zealand; the trees and underbrush did not look right and weren't!). The commentators were pedestrian in their assessments (where did they get all these know-nothings?). They also re-used footage from "Sons of Liberty" (another disaster on so many levels).
I don't plan to watch any more of these. Such a shame; such a missed opportunity. They should have hired real historians, filmed it in the US at various historic locations/recreations, and hired US re-renactors. If this was too much for their budget, then they should have scraped the whole thing in the first place.

 
tenngun 
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tenngun
03-14-18 05:57 AM - Post#1674198    

    In response to Black Hand

  • Black Hand Said:
I saw more than one percussion gun.

I'm still curious about the magic flintlocks that shoot with the frizzen open and the pan empty...




I think the frizzen open thing was a safety measure. Those shots came from the camera man off to one side but in front of the gun. In other shots the flintlocks seemed to have been real.
Ossha rears it’s ugly head. And like the Hydra grows two new lawyers or every one that retires.

 
Jimbo47 
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03-14-18 07:26 AM - Post#1674207    

    In response to tenngun

I'll still watch because it's better than watching Pawn Stars, or American Pickers.

 
Artificer 
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03-14-18 09:51 AM - Post#1674226    

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  • Black Hand Said:
I saw more than one percussion gun.

I'm still curious about the magic flintlocks that shoot with the frizzen open and the pan empty...



Ah, well the answer to that is a bit complicated.

It seems prior to filming the movie "Northwest Passage" in 1940 and starring Spencer Tracy, a rare discovery was made of a secret weapon intended for issue to the military out west, after the UnCivil War. So they used examples in that film.

That Secret Weapon had what looked like a Flintlock mechanism to fool NA hostiles, but in fact was a trap door mechanism breech loader. However, it was deemed impractical, so not many were made that way..............



Gus

 
tenngun 
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tenngun
03-14-18 02:50 PM - Post#1674272    

    In response to Artificer

Eastern tribes had the torture ceremony on captives. And it gave a last chance for a warrior to prove his worth.
Western tribes often did postmortem mutilations in the hope the dead would be so crippled in the afterlife. Not in itself far removed from European thinking. Witches and heretics were burned so they would have no body that could be resurrected.
I do seem to recall Europeans being as mean to Europeans as they ever were to Indians.
You know you travel so fast these days, take breakfast in Milan, lunch in Rome and be in Sicily for vespers.

 
Black Hand 
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03-14-18 05:07 PM - Post#1674291    

    In response to tenngun

  • tenngun Said:
  • Black Hand Said:
I'm still curious about the magic flintlocks that shoot with the frizzen open and the pan empty...




I think the frizzen open thing was a safety measure. Those shots came from the camera man off to one side but in front of the gun.


Not really - I saw the frizzen open, the person pulled the trigger, you heard the shot and even saw smoke come from the pan. They were shown from all angles with the frizzen open, and yet the guns still fired. Most/all were camera angles from behind and to the side - no danger to anyone...


 
Ohio Joe 
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03-14-18 05:21 PM - Post#1674297    

    In response to Black Hand

Personally, I would rather watch an amateur that knows and has some passion for history, do a youtube video about what they know and have researched - then to watch the History Channel or some Hollywood production that doesn't have a clue.

 
tenngun 
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tenngun
03-14-18 05:26 PM - Post#1674300    

    In response to Black Hand

I didn’t notice that. However this show was for sure one of those ‘can you pick out all the errors’ test.

 
Black Hand 
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03-14-18 05:48 PM - Post#1674303    

    In response to tenngun

I'm glad this isn't used as a drinking game:
If a person took a shot every time they saw an inaccuracy, they'd be in the hospital getting their stomach pumped by the first commercial break and dead of alcohol poisoning by the second set of commercials....

 
tenngun 
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tenngun
03-14-18 06:40 PM - Post#1674307    

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Black Hand 
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03-14-18 08:15 PM - Post#1674317    

    In response to tenngun

First commercial break of Tecumseh - I'd be dead already...

The shot glass being used as an inkwell was a nice touch.

 
Black Hand 
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Black Hand
03-14-18 08:52 PM - Post#1674326    

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Someone please save us from the "genius" of Leonardo....

 
Frenchman 
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03-15-18 04:59 AM - Post#1674368    

    In response to Black Hand

What a waste of time

 
Rifleman1776 
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Rifleman1776
03-15-18 01:58 PM - Post#1674439    

    In response to tenngun

  • tenngun Said:
Every people everywhere have done evil and good in equal measure. The island of Britain was the home of a Neolithic people, invaded by another Neolithic people invaded by celts, Romans Germans Scandinavians from Denmark and Norway then from Normandy. Irish pirates were making slave raids in Britain for centuries before the The Brits enslaved Ireland.
Mesoamerican had wars just to get captives to sacrifice to the Gods. Several Polynesian ran fleets of warships dedicated to enslaving and driving out other people’s from the best islands.
Land belongs to the people that can hold it.




Only sorta true. It was all really Donald Trump's fault.

 
Rifleman1776 
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03-15-18 02:02 PM - Post#1674441    

    In response to Black Hand

  • Black Hand Said:
  • Ghettogun Said:
They were melting down the flat ware to cast for round ball and showed him quenching it in water before removing from the mold. Would that be something that needs to be done with harder metals than lead? Or just uninformed media representation?


They were melting pewter utensils, which are mostly tin...

There were many inaccuracies.

I would really like to see them make black powder using sulfur, charcoal and bat poop (Yes, I know how the bat poop was really used, but this is an example of something easily avoided).




Melting down flatware might have been done when lead was not available but ammunition was sorely needed. Dunno. Just speculating.
Bat guano was commonly used in the production of black powder. And, yes, it was leached. There are bat caves all over much of the south that have stories about how bp was made in them.

 
Flint62Smoothie 
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Flint62Smoothie
03-23-18 11:35 AM - Post#1675822    

    In response to Rifleman1776

I dunnoh ... lots of LEFT-HANDED flintlocks to be seen in those installments, have seen 3 so far in episode 3 alone!

I mean, why did they shoot that scene with the actor running from right to left ... only to show it on TV as the ‘Frontiersmen’ running from left to right, taking cover behind a fence and cocking (close up) and then firing their LH flint muskets?

... I didn’t notice that perhaps they had already used that scene in a previous installment.
All my MZLs will shoot into a ragged ~1/2" hole ALL DAY LONG... it's just the 2nd & 3rd shots that open the group!


 
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