Anyone from US recently take a MZL’dr into Canada?

What’s the process to get BP into Canada? I have the forms from the outfitter, but everything on the forms is geared around centerfire arms & modern cartridge ammo.

At least I have to Fall 2019 to get it all figured out ...

I believe Canada treats a muzzleloader the same as a modern rifle. You probably won't be able to transport black powder though.
Ask your outfitter/guide to be sure. Otherwise, get a written statement from Canadian customs to show when crossing the border. I had an agent tell me I couldn't bring a shotgun into Canada until I showed him the regulations I had downloaded.

Patocazador said:

I believe Canada treats a muzzleloader the same as a modern rifle. You probably won't be able to transport black powder though.
Ask your outfitter/guide to be sure. Otherwise, get a written statement from Canadian customs to show when crossing the border. I had an agent tell me I couldn't bring a shotgun into Canada until I showed him the regulations I had downloaded.

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This is good advise, if it is not in writing it ain't so.

I was about to be charged with bringing a bear back into the U.S. through improper means (It had to be shipped to :hmm: I think it was Atlanta), until I showed the Federal officer the letter signed by her telling me to have it shipped to Stapleton.

Then it became a verbal warning.

You might have to have a serial number on the gun too. If you built your own gun, like many of us, there won't be one unless you put it there. I also believe that Canada considers the receiver to be the gun, and with (factory) ML'ers it's the barrel that has the SN. I'd for sure do some checking on the regs before I headed there, and as mentioned, get it in writing with a letterhead from a government source.

Flint62Smoothie said:

What’s the process to get BP into Canada? I have the forms from the outfitter, but everything on the forms is geared around centerfire arms & modern cartridge ammo.

At least I have to Fall 2019 to get it all figured out ...

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Can you clarify your question for those who might be able to answer it? From the wording you used, I took your question to be more about the "BP" itself, and the answers thusfar have focused more on the guns.

same as a rifle, no handguns. i went to Canada on a bear hunt. you have to fill out a gun registration form for flintlock and percussion. you can take 1 lb. of powder in. notify them at the border. you should have no trouble. get the forms and fill them out before you leave. they only take Canadian funds, cash for fees. you will need a passport or passport card.

get Canadian travelers checks from your bank, before you leave. save a lot of time instead of going to Canadian currency exchange at border.

rj morrison said:

They only take Canadian funds, cash for fees. you will need a passport or passport card.

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I used a credit card in Manitoba (Winnipeg airport) but folks are nicer in Manitoba. The agent may have let that slide.

Below is the official page link. To find out about black powder, you my have to contact them.
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/visit-visite-eng.htm

The blokes who come up for our annual Victorian shoot seem to be able to bring in plenty of powder and loaded ammo. (Snider, M-H and such)
I don't think they're restricted to just a pound of powder, in fact I know they aren't, but they drive up. Maybe that makes a difference.

They use different powder in different guns, so carry from 4F for matchlock prime, down to 1F for musket match.
Re the guns, I'm hazy, but they do need a list to show, and usually bring up at least 6 each.
They also bring the printed off shoot schedule to show.
No bothers up to now, and we've held the shoot maybe 12 years running. Maybe more I forget.

Richard.

went to newfoundland in September with my fl and had no problems at the Canadian border. you can call customs and they are very helpful and will give you all the info you need. the BP limit is a lot, about 12 pounds or so and must be in about 1 pound containers. the customs people will do all the metric to U.S. conversions over the phone for you. at the border they never looked at the guns, nor did they ask about BP and I did not offer any addition info. my guns were all built by me and I have them S.N.rd. its really not a big deal, just have all your paper work in order.

Pretty much. One exception is a flintlock rifle/musket is considered an antique and no licence is required to buy one. A flintlock pistol is treated the same as a modern one. Caplocks are treated same as a center-fire. All firearms have storage and transport regs.

Keeps our streets safe, knowing nobody can pull out a flinter pistol and shoot up the neighborhood.

We have crossed over into Ontario a few times for hunting.

Last time we went, flintlocks were excepted from the licence and tax. Percussion rifles were not.

I have a stamp set that I put serial numbers on my guns that I build.

Very simple process. Taking powder and caps into Canada was not a problem.

Check out the internet, you will find plenty information.

Do not hesitate to call your border crossing and talk with the officers there. They will help you as well.

Fleener

yonderin said:

Keeps our streets safe, knowing nobody can pull out a flinter pistol and shoot up the neighborhood.

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:grin: :rotf:

Here are the FACTS on bringing and shipping a flintlock to Canada or Canada to USA. Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms does not consider a FLINTLOCK to be a firearm. Royal Canadian Mounted Police, does not consider a flintlock to be a firearm. You can ship by USA MAIL or Canadian Mail, Or Transport a FLINTLOCK with Black Powder WITHOUT any special documentation. I have done both by mail and traveling MANY MANY TIMES! An internet forum is the LAST place to ask about legal information. Too many people say,"I think". PHONE, Canadian Border Patrol or e-mail them and get a response that you can print out and take with you. Use GOOGLE to find Canadian Border Services...

NOTE: The above information applies to FLINTLOCK guns NOT PERCUSSION.

Pat Cameron

we were also advised to go to the customs office in Erie PA, which is a short drive for us, and get the guns registered with them to show ownership before gong into Canada,so we had proof that we did in fact own the gun when coming back into the US. it really is not a big deal, just have your stuff in order when you get there.

I took my 20 ga. trade gun to Canada 4 years ago and took a bear with it.
We were able to take our powder in with us. Things may have changed in 4 years, but I think you can still take at least a pound of powder without any problem. We did have a hassle with the border guard. The one we got insisted that we needed to register our guns (we each took two flintlock guns), Canadian law did not require it as they were reproductions of antique guns. Argued with him for about a half hour, he threatened to send me back home. After making us sit for about 45 minutes while he "investigated" the rule, he finally told us that we did need to register the guns (we didn't according to their laws but he was not going to give in). At this point I gave up arguing and did the paperwork. He never questioned the powder however.

when we crossed with flintlocks, we had a copy of the CN regulations with us that stated flintlocks were not required to do the registration. This made it much easier. Our officers did not know that they were excepted either.

Keep in mind that the officers might not of ever had a flintlock show up before and might not really know what it is.

Just because they wear a gun does not mean that they are gun guys.

Fleener

I also had a copy of the Canadian regulations with me. The agent we were dealing with had his own rationalization. He said "its a weapon, you can kill a bear with it, so you could kill a person". I probably should have asked for a supervisor, but I was getting so frustrated, and he had threatened to send us back the US, and I was afraid that patience (re temper) was getting short, so I just backed off and waited on him. It was only $25 or $35 for the permit, and I had already cost us 45 minutes trying to reason with him, so I decided to cut our losses and do the paperwork when he called us back up.