• This community needs YOUR help today. We rely 100% on Supporting Memberships to fund our efforts. With the ever increasing fees of everything, we need help. We need more Supporting Members, today. Please invest back into this community. I will ship a few decals too in addition to all the account perks you get.



    Sign up here: https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/account/upgrades

Pyrodex discussion versus Blackpowder on this forum

Muzzleloading Forum

Help Support Muzzleloading Forum:

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, and others.
Joined
Aug 27, 2004
Messages
2,974
Reaction score
6,324
Hey guys don't get me wrong, just trying to understand better how this good forum thinks. I am not saying anything is wrong, just asking for why a modern design muzzleloader discussion is not OK (not traditional) when Pyrodex is OK. (Modern formula) Again, I am not trying to offend anyone, cuz I really don't care what a feller shoots, it is his business. I am trying to understand how the pie is cut on what we can post about.
Flintlocklar :wink:
 
Larry (Omaha) said:
Hey guys don't get me wrong, just trying to understand
Simple.
Claude/We/They had to draw a line in the sand. Or else it would be a crazy hodge-podge.
It was a different time with issues about other and limited forums available at that time.
The WWW exploded!

There are other places better suited for certain discussions.
This forum is for what it is.
Other forums are for what they are.
There was a struggle in the early days,,
 
The reasons we allow discussion on using the synthetic black powders is, people, due to laws in their areas and the desire of many to buy their powder in small amounts that are impractical to buy on the net keep some people from being able to get real black powder.

In percussion guns, the synthetics load and shoot almost like real black powder.

The flintlock shooters can also use the synthetics if they put a small starting load of real black powder under the synthetic when they load their guns.

So, the powders load and shoot like the real thing and our chief objective is to have fun and promote traditional muzzleloading.

There are modern things (besides in-lines) that we do not discuss. The rules prohibit discussions about sabots and bullets with plastic things on/in them although their has been one exception.

The people who shoot smoothbores have discussed using modern plastic shot cups.
Because these don't seem to work well, the discussions have been rather limited.
 
I shoot Pyrodex cause it is what can get in small quantities..I could order the Holy Black in several pound lots and it would cost me more than I want to spend or will ever shoot up.
I can walk into a Sporting Goods store and buy Pyrodex but not THE black,so till that changes I'll shoot what I can get.
 
why a modern design muzzleloader discussion is not OK (not traditional) when Pyrodex is OK. (Modern formula)

Don't most of those "Pyrodex" discussion, or discussions on any of the substitute powders, usually have several folks suggesting the user switch to real black powder, or move to where they can get it and then switch to real black powder?

:haha:

LD
 
Loyalist Dave said:
...or move to where they can get it and then switch to real black powder?

And cross that lifetime dream of an Alaska hunt off your bucket list. The whining and fussing gets serious when guys are sitting in the Anchorage airport and learn subs are all they can get after catching the next flight to their hunting destination! :rotf:
 
BrownBear said:
Loyalist Dave said:
...or move to where they can get it and then switch to real black powder?

And cross that lifetime dream of an Alaska hunt off your bucket list. The whining and fussing gets serious when guys are sitting in the Anchorage airport and learn subs are all they can get after catching the next flight to their hunting destination! :rotf:

Is BP banned in Alaska, if so why?
 
Flintlock Bob said:
Is BP banned in Alaska, if so why?

Not at all. But when you figure out how to get it to all towns and hunting locations off the limited road system, be sure and let us know. Lotta folks waiting to hear about that! :grin:

Short answer, if you're not on the road from Los Anchorage or San Fairbanks, you can't get there with it.
 
A few decades back, before the benevolent government and common carriers decided the public could be gouged if they called it an explosive, black was available everywhere and there was no need for substitutes, although more than a few folks resorted to sugar powder. I remember black powder being out on store shelves in general stores, although that was late 1950's or early 1960's. I heard some folks bragging recently about how it is easier to buy dynamite in some places than black powder. Around 1994, I met a man at the High Plains Rendezvous for whom Pyrodex was a Godsend, his wife had a state day care license and they showed up for surprise inspections a few times a year. Since the day care was in their home, their entire house was subject to the inspection. No volatile chemicals, no explosives, no volatile paints, no denatured alcohol, or paint thinner, not even gasoline for the mower and no propane for the grill. But irrationally, he could have firearms, ammo, reloading components, and lastly, he could have Pyrodex because it was not classed as an explosive.

The line must be drawn somewhere. Do we exclude folks whose "primitive clothes" was sewn on a machine, or whose tents are made of sunforger instead of cotton canvas, or linen. What about the modern steel in their gun barrels, or the fruit of the looms under their primitive clothes. Should we thrown them out because they store their guns soaked in Ballistol, bore butter or some other modern rust preventative synthetic goo.
 
It's all about maintain appearances....
Substitute powders look like Real BP and are measured like real bp (compared to pellets) Reproduction muzzleloaders look like traditional muzzleloaders (compared to modern MLs)

One other consideration is, Safety.
Components, nomenclature, loading data, etc.. are different between traditional muzzleloaders and modern MLs...This can get confusing for newcomers and pose safety issues.
 
BrownBear said:
Flintlock Bob said:
Is BP banned in Alaska, if so why?

Not at all. But when you figure out how to get it to all towns and hunting locations off the limited road system, be sure and let us know. Lotta folks waiting to hear about that! :grin:

Short answer, if you're not on the road from Los Anchorage or San Fairbanks, you can't get there with it.


Is bp banned from airplanes?
 
Larry (Omaha) said:
Hey guys don't get me wrong, just trying to understand better how this good forum thinks. I am not saying anything is wrong, just asking for why a modern design muzzleloader discussion is not OK (not traditional) when Pyrodex is OK. (Modern formula) Again, I am not trying to offend anyone, cuz I really don't care what a feller shoots, it is his business. I am trying to understand how the pie is cut on what we can post about.
Flintlocklar :wink:
I see what you're stating as this forum's name might be mis-leading you..
Rifles - every configuration; ss, bolt, etc..
Pistol - revolver, ss, etc...
Shotgun - O/U, SxS, etc..
Muzzle Loader - singles, doubles, O/U, lots of configurations that all load thru the muzzle, including all of the above throughout history...
 

Latest posts

Back
Top