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Java77 
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02-13-18 12:28 PM - Post#1669198    

    In response to Brokennock

  • Brokennock Said:
While that is a very nice looking rifle, I kind of meant pics of the problem. Can you show us a close up of the ramrod ends, both of them, and maybe of the rod as far into the gun as it will go.

Was the ribbed jag on the rod when you received the rifle?



Oh ok got it. Will try to take more pics. It didn’t come with any jags. Just the bronze tip drilled for jags.

Nate has been trying to help me figure out why the ramrod went in and out fine before and after the shooting session but once I cleaned it, the ramrod wouldn’t go in.

He suggested I run a worm down there to see if maybe something fell in and got stuck.

Worst case is he wants it back to take it apart and look at it. He suggested I could take the entry thimble out and take a look but I’m worried about messing something up if I did that.

 
Brokennock 
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Brokennock
02-13-18 12:56 PM - Post#1669212    

    In response to Java77

Not trying to be condescending or insulting, but just to cover the bases, have you tried unscrewing the jag and putting the rod in with the brass ferrul in the gun? Is the ferrul tapered, maybe with a slightly bulbous wood end.

 
Java77 
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02-13-18 01:02 PM - Post#1669214    

    In response to Brokennock

  • Brokennock Said:
Not trying to be condescending or insulting, but just to cover the bases, have you tried unscrewing the jag and putting the rod in with the brass ferrul in the gun? Is the ferrul tapered, maybe with a slightly bulbous wood end.



Yup no jag on it. The wooden end on the ramrod does not look tapered.

Edited by Java77 on 02-13-18 01:03 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Old Ford 
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02-13-18 02:08 PM - Post#1669228    

    In response to Java77

Ok! Now to get at the problem.
Remove the barrel from the stock, attach a drill bit the same size as your ramrod, a little smaller is better.
Now carefully turn the bit "by hand" listen for any metal scraping ( maybe a screw has shifted, not likely but it could happen )
Do not turn the drill bit under power, something bad can and will happen.
After your shooting session, a small piece of wood may have shifted. Turning the drill bit by hand should loosen it.
You will not find a looong drill bit at your corner store. But you can buy long drill rod at your local NAPA automotive supply store, perhaps even extra long drill bits.
If all you can get is round drill stock, you can get it 48" long it is easy to grind a working drill bit.
Just Google a spade drill bit.
It is relatively easy since you already have the hole drilled.
Fred
GO SLOW!

 
steve losey 
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02-13-18 03:57 PM - Post#1669256    

    In response to Old Ford

before you do the drill bit deal take a 1/16" punch and knock out the pin holding the entry pipe in an remove it then try your ramrod if it still wont go you can run a rat tail rasp down but somtimes when I dill my ramrod holes an inlet the pipe there is a small ridge on the backside of the pipe so if the ramrod is a tight fit it will not go in with out tapering the rod

 
hawkeye2 
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hawkeye2
02-13-18 03:58 PM - Post#1669257    

    In response to Java77

Ok, so it happened after you cleaned not before. Is it possible some water/cleaning solution ran down the channel and soaked into the stock causing the inside diameter of the hole do close up a little? It wouldn't take much as the wood isn't sealed inside and the solution would be to drill, ream or sand the inside of the ramrod hole in the stock. I had something like that happen once.

 
Brokennock 
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Brokennock
02-13-18 07:02 PM - Post#1669281    

    In response to Java77

I was asking if the brass ferrul is tapered.

Most of these guys have more experience than I fixing or building these types of guns. That said, I would be reluctant to start drill and scraping things if I couldn't see exactly what and where material needed to be removed, until the builder has a chance to look at it. He has already expressed a willingness to do so, that might change if you go messing with his work.
Again, my feeling on that might be different if you could see what the rod is hitting.

Edited by Brokennock on 02-13-18 07:03 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Java77 
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02-13-18 07:17 PM - Post#1669283    

    In response to Brokennock

  • Brokennock Said:
I was asking if the brass ferrul is tapered.

Most of these guys have more experience than I fixing or building these types of guns. That said, I would be reluctant to start drill and scraping things if I couldn't see exactly what and where material needed to be removed, until the builder has a chance to look at it. He has already expressed a willingness to do so, that might change if you go messing with his work.
Again, my feeling on that might be different if you could see what the rod is hitting.



Sorry I thought you meant the ramrod. Anyhow it doesn’t look tapered.

I’m going to see if I can find a way to see what is causing the obstruction. If I can’t find it, I’ll send it back to the builder for his expertise. This is too nice of a rifle for a rookie like me to mess around with.

Many thanks to all if you for trying to help. I posted a similar question on another forum and didn’t get the level of response as I have here.

Btw I was incorrect about the barrel. Nate corrected me and said it is a Rice barrel southern style. The lock is a Chamber late Ketland style.


 
Col. Batguano 
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02-13-18 07:22 PM - Post#1669284    

    In response to Brokennock

The builder knows this gun a LOT better than you do. He sounds like a conscientious guy. I know If I were the builder I would want to make it right if an issue like this popped up for my customer, especially so soon after his purchase.

He might want to handle it personally and directly, or try to talk you through a fix on the phone and save the trouble and risk of damage in 2-way shipping. Either way, he sounds like a stand-up guy you can deal with, and would actually WANT to.

 
flinter36 
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02-14-18 07:49 AM - Post#1669318    

    In response to Java77

WELL you can try to go to Lowe or home deport and pick up a3/8inch wood rod and see if that can go all the way down and if not then you can sand the rod down to fit the hole hope this helps

 
Rifleman1776 
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Rifleman1776
02-14-18 09:55 AM - Post#1669328    

    In response to Old Ford

  • Quote:
Do not turn the drill bit under power, something bad can and will happen.



Say that again but louder:
  • Quote:
Do not turn the drill bit under power, something bad can and will happen.



 
Rifleman1776 
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Rifleman1776
02-14-18 09:57 AM - Post#1669329    

    In response to flinter36

  • flinter36 Said:
WELL you can try to go to Lowe or home deport and pick up a3/8inch wood rod and see if that can go all the way down and if not then you can sand the rod down to fit the hole hope this helps



Over the years I have had several extra long drill made by welders putting a regular bit onto the end of a piece of steel rod. Works but must be pulled back out to remove chips as the rod doesn't have flutes to help clear as you get deeper.

 
New smokepole 
32 Cal.
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02-14-18 01:26 PM - Post#1669371    

    In response to Rifleman1776

Very nice gun you have.
Nate builds a great gun, i have a 36 cal from him.
Try a round file, bend the end up as a handle.

 
Snakebite 
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Snakebite
02-14-18 01:53 PM - Post#1669381    

    In response to flinter36

  • flinter36 Said:
WELL you can try to go to Lowe or home deport and pick up a3/8inch wood rod and see if that can go all the way down and if not then you can sand the rod down to fit the hole hope this helps



That's a good idea, sand on an alternate wooden rod before you go altering the ram rod that came with it. And definitely before whacking on that pretty rifle itself. (Like drilling out the ram rod channel)

Best bet IMHO is to contact the builder and see what he says.

 
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