weapons

I object to calling my hunting arms WEAPONS, they are not for killing people (weapons), but are used for the taking of game for use on my table. :shake:

When you pull the trigger and something dies then it is a weapon,just like a bow and arrow,a tomahawk or a mace. These just happen to be primitive compared to an AR15.

sidelock said:

I object to calling my hunting arms WEAPONS, they are not for killing people (weapons), but are used for the taking of game for use on my table. :shake:

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I can follow that....The term Weapon denotes war, defense or offense. or something more sinister.

The term gun, or rifle is more of a hunting or sporting term...

Example; .....We call it a rifle club, not a weapons club. We hunt with guns, not weapons. we buy guns from a gun store, we don't buy weapons from a weapons store.

sidelock said:

I object to calling my hunting arms WEAPONS, they are not for killing people (weapons), but are used for the taking of game for use on my table. :shake:

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If they call it a weapon, it gives them an excuse that can be used to take it away. Frankly, nearly anything can be a weapon - it is a matter of intent...

This answer is not directed to any particular poster.

We have a Constitutional Right to keep and bear arms in defense of Life, Country, Liberty, and in some cases property.

As such use indicates, arms are weapons. If you want to call them "daisies", you are free to do so.

Those who wish to confiscate them will try to do so, regardless of what we call them. The proper response to such action is with the weapon.

Richard/Grumpa

Blackhand is spot on. Words have meaning. In the case of our arms, intent and use a effect definition. Anything can be a weapon, but isn't until used as such. A hammer isn't a weapon,,, until it is used to bash someone's head in. A pen isn't a weapon, until someone sticks it in your neck or your eye. None of my arms are weapons, from my muzzleloader to my Scout Rifle, to my daily carry 1911's, until/unless and adversarial confrontation arises and said arm is then used as a weapon. Interestingly, if we stick with that logic, I would dare say none of us that hunt consider our hunting arms "weapons," but, the anti-hunters sure do.

My dear wife calls all my guns MUSKETS, even my .22 lever and my 7mm wsm bolt is a musket at my house :shocked2:

Blackhand is spot on. Words have meaning. In the case of our arms, intent and use a effect definition. Anything can be a weapon, but isn't until used as such. A hammer isn't a weapon,,, until it is used to bash someone's head in. A pen isn't a weapon, until someone sticks it in your neck or your eye. None of my arms are weapons, from my muzzleloader to my Scout Rifle, to my daily carry 1911's, until/unless and adversarial confrontation arises and said arm is then used as a weapon. Interestingly, if we stick with that logic, I would dare say none of us that hunt consider our hunting arms "weapons," but, the anti-hunters sure do.

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I'm sorry but you are too much mistaken in this.

Intent and use and effect are not the pure criteria for a definition. Design plays a major part.

hammers are designed to do many specific tasks, and in our modern times none of those tasks is homicide, BUT hammers do exist that were/are designed to do just that. I have a copy of a medieval war hammer. :wink:

A pen is a writing instrument designed for that purpose...., it may be used to wound a person but you would not find it falls under the legal definition of a "weapon" even after you poked out a person's eye with said pen.

A muzzle loading fireARM, even if the legal definition is antique fireARM, is designed to launch a projectile with the idea that upon impact the projectile damages a living thing. And NO, the fact that a person simply wants to put holes in paper with their personal fireARM does not alter the original intent of the design, for it's still a fireARM.

By your criteria a person who shoots targets should be referring to their muzzle loader as paper punching tool. :shocked2:

What must be fought is the idea that weapons are always used to commit homicide, when in fact the majority are designed for hunting, and the remainder are for self-defense, responding to a lethal threat, and not for initiation of violence against humans. As was pointed out..., the intent of the person carrying anything is what makes something dangerous.

So when we hear a person complaining about firearms, point out that any person with kitchen knives has "weapons", but the vast majority of Americans don't go around attacking their fellows with kitchen knives just like the vast majority of Americans don't go about shooting people with their firearms.

LD

sidelock said:

I object to calling my hunting arms WEAPONS, they are not for killing people (weapons), but are used for the taking of game for use on my table. :shake:

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:metoo:

Christophero said:

When you pull the trigger and something dies then it is a weapon,just like a bow and arrow,a tomahawk or a mace. These just happen to be less complicated than an AR15.

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Fixed that for you.
Oh, and when you pull the trigger and nothing dies, what do you call it then

B.

This is my gun,
This is my rifle,
This is for fun,
Well, you know how it goes

I will add that the only real weapon is the human animal.... All these other objects in question are just that... Inanimate objects... People are the weapons

I look at the term "weapon" as a man to man thing such as; "he used a tree limb as a weapon to defend himself".

Although is was 51 years ago, I still remember;
This is my rifle
This is my gun
this is for killing
this is for fun

Oh, and when you pull the trigger and nothing dies, what do you call it then

C'mon Brit,,,,there's women and children on this site :rotf:

Well my first thought on reading this was hhmmffmp. Then I thought about it. Having just read a work on early civilization that concentrated a lot on megalithic Britain the author spent a lot on pointing out the island wide cooperation and lack of signs of warfare or weapons. Yet signs of wide spread hunting was mentioned. The picks and mattocks were mostly deer and red deer antler. They had to be hunted with something. Now my thought is hmmm.

Christopher Columbus also made reference in his journals as to the lack of weaponry of the
Natives he first encountered in the Americas....He also commented on how peaceful, friendly, sharing and giving they were, and how easy it would be to conquer them..... :hmm:

sidelock said:

I object to calling my hunting arms WEAPONS, they are not for killing people (weapons), but are used for the taking of game for use on my table. :shake:

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Oxford give two definitions for Weapon

1- A thing designed or used for inflicting bodily harm or physical damage.

1.1 A means of gaining an advantage or defending oneself in a conflict or contest. ”˜resignation threats had long been a weapon in his armory’

I think it is clear that your hunting arms are A means of gaining an advantage & A thing designed or used for inflicting physical damage. (holes in game)

I think you would need to show that in general ONLY things that "killing people" are thought of as weapons. I just don't see that as true. Iodine is a weapon against infection, fire is a weapon against hypothermia, The electron microscope is a weapon in the fight against disease. Non of these is defined as a weapon because they are used to kill people. :idunno:

Smash someone in the head with a hammer and see what the prosecuting D.A. calls that hammer. Ask any nurse or hospital employee with direct patient care tasks what dangerous patients are not allowed to have, because they can be used as weapons, ask one whose seen staff be assaulted with makeshift weapons, or been assaulted themselves.
No, a target shooters muzzle loader would not be called a paper punching tool, it's a firearm, just like many others, plain and simply put, a firearm.

As you can tell, o.p., I too object to any of my firearms being called weapons. Kennedy automobiles have killed more people than any of the firearms currently in my safe.

long time ago in the army, what they gave me was a rifle not a weapon.
anyone remember (this is my rifle, this is my gun, this is for fighting and this is for fun)

That’s all true. To go one step further you could call a castle wall or a radar a weapon. A hammer or a beer bottle worksand would be called a deadly weapon if used against some one. Are out guns weapons? Nine hundred and ninety nine of mu shots are on paper. Some of my guns have never been hunted with. I could use them to kill, but I chop fire wood with my tomahawk and Kentucky ax are they weapons? I have a lot of camp knifes, most of their work is cutting food.