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Lungbuster 
Pilgrim
Posts: 4
01-09-18 02:44 PM - Post#1662314    


I have two Thompson Center 50 cal Hawkens rifles that need new barrels. I've searched for the green mountain barrels but from what I can gather they don't make them anymore. Any suggestions on where to find a barrel with a faster twist for sabots? At least a 1-32?

 
Rusty Gunn 
32 Cal.
Posts: 12
01-09-18 03:16 PM - Post#1662315    

    In response to Lungbuster

New barrels occasionally are found on auction sites at various prices. Another option is to have your barrels rebored to a larger caliber at your desired twist.


 
Grenadier1758 
58 Cal.
Posts: 2214
Grenadier1758
01-09-18 05:02 PM - Post#1662360    

    In response to Lungbuster

Track of the Wolf has a 54 Caliber replacement barrel offered for the T/C Hawken.

 
Mooman76 
69 Cal.
Posts: 3369
01-09-18 05:30 PM - Post#1662368    

    In response to Grenadier1758

Do a search here of Bobby Hoyt. He can bore to the next size or put an insert in and any rifling you want. He is fairly quick and in most cases cheaper than buying a new barrel.

 
CapPopper 
40 Cal.
Posts: 301
CapPopper
01-09-18 05:57 PM - Post#1662371    

    In response to Lungbuster

Have you tried shooting them with the bullet you wanted to use? My 50 has a 1:48 and would put them all in a pop can at 50 yards 240 xtp... Dont need more than that for iron sights... No one here really uses that modern stuff... Try a nice minie ball my gun one holes the lee 360 at 50 yards

 
CapPopper 
40 Cal.
Posts: 301
CapPopper
01-09-18 06:24 PM - Post#1662383    

    In response to CapPopper

The only good thing about a sabot is it will hit closer in elevation to a patched round ball... Why do you want to use a sabot anyways?

 
TerryK 
40 Cal.
Posts: 127
01-09-18 08:23 PM - Post#1662422    

    In response to Lungbuster

I imagine that you need a flintlock barrel since you are from PA. So I think a rebore by Bobby Hoyt in Fairfield near Gettysburg is a good option. He can rebore it to 54 caliber in a twist you want. In 54, the ball is 230 grains compared to a 177 grainer in a 50. So a bigger ball may save you the expense of sabots. Sabots are also available for a 54 if you need them.
Finding a new Thompson barrel is going to be hard to find. I would love to find one for my 54 Renegade. Good luck.

 
Lungbuster 
Pilgrim
Posts: 4
01-09-18 10:39 PM - Post#1662454    

    In response to TerryK

Thanks for all the suggestions everyone. I should have mentioned they are flintlocks. I really thought someone out there would be making new barrels for the TC Hawkens for as many as there are out there. I really don't want to bore it out to a .54, everything we have is for .50 and I'd like to keep it all the same. if I can't find a barrel I may do a liner for them. Sabots are just personal preference is all, I got a Lyman's GPR that shoots round balls great and another traditions that shoots the sabots great.

 
CapPopper 
40 Cal.
Posts: 301
CapPopper
01-10-18 06:51 AM - Post#1662485    

    In response to Lungbuster

Well if you haven't tried any load development try one and push it as hard as you can though if its a round ball twist it probably still won't work.... The faster a bullet leaves the muzzle the faster it will be spinning and more likely to stabilize... I quit shooting sabots cause I just didn't think they were "cool" lol

 
Grenadier1758 
58 Cal.
Posts: 2214
Grenadier1758
01-10-18 07:33 AM - Post#1662493    

    In response to Lungbuster

Why do you think you need new barrels? Are the bores pitted? Has the accuracy suddenly changed?

If you have been shooting sabots, the plastic builds up in the grooves and destroys accuracy. You need to clean those barrels with some copper shreds from a "Chore Boy" pad. The shallow rifling in a T/C barrel will lose accuracy quickly as plastic is deposited in the grooves. You may not need to replace your barrels right now.

 
tacking 
32 Cal.
Posts: 22
01-10-18 07:34 AM - Post#1662495    

    In response to Lungbuster

eBay is full of TC Hawken barrels. Though flintlock is harder to find and does demand more money. I've bought 3 barrels off eBay, along with other TC stuff. Enough to build three riffles. As someone mentioned, Track of The Wolf is a great source.

 
Eric Krewson 
54 Cal.
Posts: 1699
Eric Krewson
01-10-18 08:16 AM - Post#1662501    

    In response to tacking

Flint barrels don't sell well on eBay, I bought a new unused kit gun barrel for $68. It was stripped down so I spent another $30 or so for the under rib, sights and misc parts.

Going to a .54 is not a big deal, a new mold or two and you are good to go. That 226 gr round ball sure puts a stomping on any deer you shoot.

 
CapPopper 
40 Cal.
Posts: 301
CapPopper
01-10-18 09:35 AM - Post#1662512    

    In response to Grenadier1758

From what i understood he wants a faster twist for the sabots... My 1:48 shot them into 2" groups at 100 yards and lets face it most of us won't even shoot that far. The 44 xtp sabots are cheaper than most full diameter conicals but like I said they are uncool in my opinion so I bought a mold since I think more than a dollar per bullet is too much for cast anything....

 
Colorado Clyde 
Cannon
Posts: 14297
Colorado Clyde
01-10-18 10:50 AM - Post#1662527    

    In response to CapPopper

  • CapPopper Said:
From what i understood he wants a faster twist for the sabots... My 1:48 shot them into 2" groups at 100 yards and lets face it most of us won't even shoot that far. The 44 xtp sabots are cheaper than most full diameter conicals but like I said they are uncool in my opinion



Agreed!....Neither traditional or cool...



 
azmntman 
75 Cal.
Posts: 5271
azmntman
01-10-18 05:48 PM - Post#1662621    

    In response to CapPopper

......and we dont even TALK about those things here

 
hawkeye2 
58 Cal.
Posts: 2300
hawkeye2
01-10-18 09:34 PM - Post#1662682    

    In response to Lungbuster

" if I can't find a barrel I may do a liner for them"

Bobby Hoyt can reline your barrel to the original caliber and your choice of twist, reasonable price too.

 
Lungbuster 
Pilgrim
Posts: 4
01-10-18 11:41 PM - Post#1662698    

    In response to Grenadier1758

Yes the barrels are toast,these were grandpas old guns that he built from kits. He's wasn't the biggest on taking proper care of them and I wanted to rebarrel one to give to my dad in hopes he get back into it. I use sabots in one of my other muzzleloaders and have had to deal with the plastic build up. If you ever get a chance try RGS bore cleaner. We use it on our trap shooting shotguns to clean out the build up from the wads and it works wonders on that and the build up in the muzzleloader. I know a 1-48 will stabilize a sabot just fine, I just figured if I was going New I'd go with the twist while I was at it is all. I wasn't aware of the whole S&W buying Thompson center and them no longer making stuff. Guess I'll take a harder look on eBay although I hate buying off there.

 
Lungbuster 
Pilgrim
Posts: 4
01-10-18 11:48 PM - Post#1662700    

    In response to azmntman

Haha well in my defense I didn't really come here to talk about them, I just wanted to know where to find a new barrel is all. Variety is the spice of life for me and i like shooting my sabot rounds as much as the round balls out of my GPR. Thanks again for all the information everyone

 
CapPopper 
40 Cal.
Posts: 301
CapPopper
01-11-18 07:33 AM - Post#1662716    

    In response to azmntman

well it does occasionally cone up... Mostly when we are trying not to use them or discussing how not cool they are

 
azmntman 
75 Cal.
Posts: 5271
azmntman
01-11-18 08:27 AM - Post#1662722    

    In response to CapPopper



 
Walks with fire 
54 Cal.
Posts: 1908
01-14-18 03:09 AM - Post#1663241    

    In response to CapPopper

I have taken some deer with the pistol bullets and have found that the patched ball works just as well. A 240 bullet didn't work as well in my opinion; a 300 grain did ok. The only benefit to me is less wind drift and a bit less trajectory. A .54 ball is as good as it needs to get for me. I also don't like messing with those sabots in cold weather.

 
MSW 
Cannon
Posts: 6946
MSW
01-15-18 11:30 AM - Post#1663509    

    In response to Walks with fire

i never understood the fascination with sabot shooting out of a muzzle loader... if you want the performance of a .300 Win Mag, then go out and buy a .300 Win Mag ... if you want to turn Bambi into little white packages, then a .50 PRB will do just fine if you have decent shot placement. if you don't have good shot placement. your .300 Win Mag won't help all that much either.

having said that,

If your rifles are the "renegade" design, Bobby Hoyt can rebore them to .54 with no problem, since these rifles have one inch (across the flat) barrels... for the 13/16th, i'm not sure. Mr. Hoyt is an excellent fellow. he works at 2379 Mt. Hope Rd, Fairfield PA 17320. his 'phone number is (717) 642-6696.

good luck with your project, and

Make Good Smoke!

 
Colorado Clyde 
Cannon
Posts: 14297
Colorado Clyde
01-15-18 11:51 AM - Post#1663519    

    In response to MSW

  • MSW Said:
I never understood the fascination with sabot shooting out of a muzzle loader...





Training wheels and Teddy bears...


 
Zonie 
Moderator
Posts: 26386
Zonie
01-15-18 06:34 PM - Post#1663579    

    In response to Colorado Clyde

Ah-hem.

We don't discuss sabots on the forum.
Just Jim...



 
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