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Moleman 
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12-06-17 06:12 PM - Post#1655495    


What size blanket makes for the best matchcoat? 3.5, 4 or 5 point.Ive looked at several instructional videos that show how to wrap and pin it, but never heard or possibly missed the blanket size. Seems to big would not be practical and to small wouldnt be very functional, and at wool blanket prices size can make a big difference in price.

Edited by Moleman on 12-06-17 06:15 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
necchi 
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necchi
12-06-17 06:35 PM - Post#1655505    

    In response to Moleman

Well, are you a great big fat guy or a little skinny feller?
I understand the cost of a new blanket and modern sizes,,
Maybe, find an old cotton sheet at a second hand store and experiment.
Or go to the same second hand store and try different size blankets.
The use of belts and pins are allowed for a matchcoat,, after all,, they are just a blanket folded around your body to stay worm.
JohnT
Molon Labe~


 
Moleman 
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12-06-17 07:20 PM - Post#1655512    

    In response to necchi

Thanks Necchi. Having seen and read about the matchcoat,it justs seems like a simple, efficient and versitile piece of gear to guard one against the elements. Not only that, its PC correct for nearly all, if not all events.

 
Black Hand 
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Black Hand
12-07-17 05:51 PM - Post#1655718    

    In response to Moleman

Please stay away from the C-shaped pins you see sold by different vendors. They are not PC/HC for our period - they date to around the period of the Roman Empire (+/- a few hundred years).

The pin I use is made from a sliver of deer shin bone (3-4" in length) and looks like a bone skewer with one end enlarged to a tab (or no tab with a small hole and a leather thong). The bone is shaped with a file, scraped, then polished smooth so it doesn't snag the wool. Just remember to slightly round the tip to keep from doing yourself damage.

 
Spence10 
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12-07-17 06:14 PM - Post#1655721    

    In response to Black Hand

A honey locust thorn works well.



Spence

 
Cruzatte 
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Cruzatte
12-07-17 10:11 PM - Post#1655747    

    In response to Black Hand

  • Black Hand Said:
Please stay away from the C-shaped pins you see sold by different vendors. They are not PC/HC for our period - they date to around the period of the Roman Empire (+/- a few hundred years).

The pin I use is made from a sliver of deer shin bone (3-4" in length) and looks like a bone skewer with one end enlarged to a tab (or no tab with a small hole and a leather thong). The bone is shaped with a file, scraped, then polished smooth so it doesn't snag the wool. Just remember to slightly round the tip to keep from doing yourself damage.


You could also use one of these:


 
tenngun 
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tenngun
12-08-17 09:50 AM - Post#1655787    

    In response to Cruzatte

The hard part is sticking a pin through a new expensive blanket

 
54ball 
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54ball
12-08-17 10:39 AM - Post#1655795    

    In response to Moleman

I'll get you some measurements for mine....I'll have to dig it out.

I think you are using the wrong stuff for a general purpose matchcoat. A matchcoat or mantle should be of stroud (I think that's the term) wool. Simply put, Garment weight wool (broadcloth).
Blankets like a full size Whitney Point are really too thick for a general use matchcoat. They can easily be worn like a matchcoat in very cold weather with no modification to it.

So if you want a multi season mantle or matchcoat, order some wool broadcloth. I got mine from William Booth Draper.

Rule of thumb.... as tall as you are and palm to palm with the arms outstretched.

Edited by 54ball on 12-08-17 10:41 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
54ball 
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12-08-17 10:50 AM - Post#1655796    

    In response to Black Hand

I had a good Southeastern Indian going with my red mantle, simply holding one side over my shoulder with one shoulder uncovered and the rest secured by a belt draping from my waist. Looked authentic.
Someone let me borrow their their c pin so I put, it on. It looked authentic all right....
Instant Celt. All I needed was some blue paint.

 
LongrifleDoc 
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LongrifleDoc
12-09-17 07:30 PM - Post#1656081    

    In response to tenngun

  • tenngun Said:
The hard part is sticking a pin through a new expensive blanket






 
nhmoose 
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nhmoose
12-10-17 03:47 PM - Post#1656199    

    In response to LongrifleDoc

Match coat or Great coat? Or are we talking Capote?

To me a Match coat = a great coat made finely by a experienced tailor.

VS a capote made from a blanket by primitive maker.

I have bought many Hudson bay blankets and Whitney blankets of all sizes. Mostly queen size in the last 10 years at local auctions. All for under $100.00 dollars with buyer premium included.

My sister who has passed made three great coats from wool fabric obtained at the local fair. Bolts left over by a big manufacture donated for the VFD.

I wore mine for many years and it is warm in fact it needs cold winter to enjoy it.



 
Black Hand 
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12-10-17 06:33 PM - Post#1656228    

    In response to nhmoose

  • nhmoose Said:
Match coat or Great coat? Or are we talking Capote?

To me a Match coat = a great coat made finely by a experienced tailor.

VS a capote made from a blanket by primitive maker.


A matchcoat is a square/rectangular blanket/piece or stroud, pinned/belted. Native matchcoats could be decorated. It is not a coat.

A greatcoat is a tailored coat made from a variety of materials (Blanketing/Bearskin/Broadcloth/other). Large enough to be worn over other clothing and could have one/multiple capes, tall collar and long cuffs. May be split in the back for riding a horse.

A capote is a coat made from wool material - usually tailored (early), but later, boxy.


 
nhmoose 
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nhmoose
12-10-17 06:54 PM - Post#1656235    

    In response to Black Hand

Thanks for the explanation

 
Black Hand 
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Black Hand
12-10-17 07:53 PM - Post#1656246    

    In response to Cruzatte

  • Cruzatte Said:
You could also use one of these:



Original worms were made of iron/steel. I'd skip the copper (though in this case, might be copper-plated)...


 
Spence10 
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12-10-17 08:53 PM - Post#1656262    

    In response to Black Hand

I found that “matchcoat” is most likely a corruption of a Virginian Algonquin word for a garment made of hides or skins, spelled “matchcores” by John Smith. That info comes from the descriptive material accompanying the mantle of Powhatan, chief of the Virginia Algonquins in early 17th century, father of Pocohontas, on display in the Ashmolean Museum at Oxford University, artifact labeled “Powhatan’s Mantle”.

An article on match coats which some might enjoy.

http://www.epsi.net/graphic/feature.html

Spence

 
twisted_1in66 
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twisted_1in66
12-10-17 09:59 PM - Post#1656270    

    In response to Spence10

Another good choice that I have used is a thorn from a Hawthorn bush. They are long and sharp and will often break of the bush leaving a small T-shaped end that is easy to grasp.

Was no trouble at all to find them in Virginia, but I can't seem to find any in Washington state.

And I don't see any down here in Australia where I'm visiting for the next 5 weeks or so either.

Twisted_1in66
Dan

Edited by twisted_1in66 on 12-10-17 10:08 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Wes/Tex 
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12-10-17 11:56 PM - Post#1656279    

    In response to Black Hand

  • Black Hand Said:

A matchcoat is a square/rectangular blanket/piece or stroud, pinned/belted. Native matchcoats could be decorated. It is not a coat.

A greatcoat is a tailored coat made from a variety of materials (Blanketing/Bearskin/Broadcloth/other). Large enough to be worn over other clothing and could have one/multiple capes, tall collar and long cuffs. May be split in the back for riding a horse.

A capote is a coat made from wool material - usually tailored (early), but later, boxy.


Yes sir...the terms sometimes mislead. What civilians called a 'greatcoat' the military called 'watchcoat'. The idea being an extra protective , usually caped, coat for soldiers on watch in cold weather. The matchcoat, though it can be a heavy wool blanket, was often the wool material mentioned in other posts.

For those who may be reading this and unsure what it's all about, this short video will show you how it's quickly done. The other comments above about pins are directed at the older Celtic style similar to that used here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXD9Xq22064


 
tenngun 
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tenngun
12-14-17 10:07 PM - Post#1656955    

    In response to Wes/Tex

I understood a watch coat was a cape with an over shoulder small cape. Running about knee length and bound just at the neck. In the army a watch coat in the navy a boat cloak.

 
Wes/Tex 
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Wes/Tex
12-14-17 10:59 PM - Post#1656958    

    In response to tenngun

Watch coat and great coat are virtually the same thing. Match coat is just a blanket pinned and tied with a body wrap. boat cloak is virtually a rounded cape with collar that hangs to the knees.



 
tenngun 
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tenngun
12-15-17 04:05 PM - Post#1657157    

    In response to Wes/Tex

Terms were often used more randomly back then. So great coat watch coat could for sure be the same term. I note Townsend sells a great coat and a watchcoat as a cape. This is what we see officers and gentlemen in so oft in paintings.
But they are unnecessary after all. Nelson was on a boat action, and had left his boat cloak back on board. He was offered one from one of his officers but declined it. Saying “Zeal for king and country will keep me warm”

 
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