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Center_shot

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So I've been doing this for a while now (20+ years) although no buckskinner I've launched a few hundred roundballs down range. I have mostly used Pyrodex RS (some Goex 2F -hard to get), mostly .490 Speer round balls, patched with .015 precut patches (sometime pre-lubed, sometimes self-lubed with TC Borebutter. I've had good luck with those components and regularly shoot
 
Dutch shoultz.........

I do that.....

I believe his system would work just fine using pyrodex. From what I do know of pyrodex, his system might benefit even more than real blackpowder, due to the difference in fouling...
 
If center Shot can get the groups he reportd while using that TC Bore Butter Goo, I suggest he stick with what he is doing although I don't see how..

Black Powder
Black powder residue left after firing is corrosive and can damage a barrel.
Pyrodex appears to be cleaner but actually is appreciable more corrosive than black powder and I suggest more thorough cleaning at day's end. a lot of his residue is getting mixed in that glop and probably gets removed with the Hot Soap routine.




Dutch
 
Dutch Schoultz said:
Black powder residue left after firing is corrosive and can damage a barrel.
Pyrodex appears to be cleaner but actually is appreciable more corrosive than black powder and I suggest more thorough cleaning at day's end.
Dutch
Yep...whatever you use for making the boom you need to clean it all out afterwards! :wink: :haha:
 
Most of us shoot real black when we can find/get it. Patches and patch lube vary by local and weather but most find what works for us and our gun and we stick with it. You seem to get real good groups with what your using. Most of us use warm water to clean up
 
I basically do the same thing you do, and I've been cleaning muskets for 40 years with hot water, followed by patches and bore butter. However, I only use ffg black powder. I wouldn't change if I were you, as long as it works. Occasionally I'll pour some T/C black powder solvent or Birchwood Casey solvent down barrel after really hot water, just 'cause I'm OCD about a clean bore, but not much anymore. I use some pre-lubed patches but more and more I've been using TOW mink oil as a patch lube. I like it and my PRB groupings are to my liking.
Oh, and I typically use a 70-grain charge, with .015 linen patches or .018 ticking.
 
Colorado Clyde said:
That's at least 8 questions.. :shocked2:

If your results are satisfactory....Why change?

Why change? Well because human nature is always looking for a 'better way'. I'm open to changing thing up if it works better or there's a chance I'm damaging my rifle.

I never really had a mentor and have just implemented things I have read and tried. Some poor reviews of Bore Butter and Pyrodex are part of what prompted this post. I've had decent luck with them but never really tried much else either.
 
Bentchile said:
Most of us shoot real black when we can find/get it. Patches and patch lube vary by local and weather but most find what works for us and our gun and we stick with it. You seem to get real good groups with what your using. Most of us use warm water to clean up

Thanks, I have shot and do shoot a little black powder but it is very hard to come by. Pyrodex is easy to get, inexpensive and seems to work pretty good. Would like to try (and hear reviews) some of the new stuff like Alliant Black, etc. Just have not got around to it yet.

For clean up I use scalding hot water, should have stated that in the original post. And living in So. Idaho we have a very dry climate. Humidity is not an issue. Maybe that's why Bore Butter works?

And thanks for putting up with an 'old' newbie's questions....
 
I've used bore butter for decades and it works for me, and I use scalding water as well with a Kevlar glove to hold that hot barrel. The bores on both my MLs shine like new. I'm sure there are half a dozen different concoctions used by BP shooters that work just as well or better. I have been using BP I acquired more than 30 years ago and am finally on my last Goex can, and you're right, it is getting hard to find BP anymore. Ordered a bunch online from Grafs just this month.
 
Center_shot said:
Colorado Clyde said:
That's at least 8 questions.. :shocked2:

If your results are satisfactory....Why change?

Why change? Well because human nature is always looking for a 'better way'. I'm open to changing thing up if it works better or there's a chance I'm damaging my rifle.

I never really had a mentor and have just implemented things I have read and tried. Some poor reviews of Bore Butter and Pyrodex are part of what prompted this post. I've had decent luck with them but never really tried much else either.

Have used both (not currently) and no issues at all. DO GET "the Dutch System". If yer doing 2-3 inches now how will you feel when yer doing 1" almost religiously? :grin:
 
Center Shot is about where I was when i first wondered into this wonderland of contradictory advice and misleading directions. Actually he's much better off. I was pleased with a four and a half inch group.

If he will email me at

[email protected]

I will send him my entire collection of information as I have settled on it in my System.

No charge. While I wish someone had done something like this for me bank then I have to admit the several years slowly figuring things out and a few accidental discoveries were a delight.

Come on Center shot I'm waiting for your email.

Dutch Schoultz
 
Has only 11 posts, he's new. May still have some antibodies fighting "the disease"? I'm betting next time he checks in you'll here from him within 1 minute :thumbsup:
 
A Gentleman wrote me a direct question on my main computer using rather small type and anyone who writes me directly should think of me a an old man wrapped in a blanket selling pencils out of a tin cup on a street corner. It's not fair as I know it is something of interest and have to go through a minor hell of enlargement 4 times and then bring in the magnifying glasses.

What he wanted to know was how long strips of shooting patch material prepared in my |Dry Lube" System will last before they no longer will function as intended.
I don't really know.
I would prepare a bunch, store them in individual air tight containers and they would last into halfway through the following year.
He apparently went industrial preparing dozens of strips in air tight containers.

My thought was that he should continue to use them til they quit doing what they are intended to do.

Everything you do and the nature of everything you use will effect your groups.

If the groups start opening up or just go wild and you are pretty sure it isn't you, then it means something has changed.

I had a disaster and couldn't put my finger on it til one day I heard myself say, the only thing I changed was the cloth material I was using for my between shot wipes. I checked, itbwas about half as thick as the previously used mater. I switched back and the groups went back an inch.

The littlrdt thing can move your groups.

Wasn't that a Doris Day song? Little things mean a lot"

Dutch Schoultz
 
Email sent - sorry I have a job (sure gets in the way of my fun!) so I only get to check in the morning on my lunch hour or after work.
 
That is me.

I looked a bit on your website and wow, I have some reading to do. I can't wait to dive in.

Thank you very much,
Trent
 
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