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Scipio

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Guys:

Looked at the NMLRA web site. Frustrating to note that they do not have anything on the standards for competitive muzzle loading.

I would like to know what the courses of fire are at Friendship and if they are standardized like NRA High Power. Also if there are classifications.

Can someone provide a link to the organization or web site that has the complete set of rules and standards for muzzle loading competition in the USA?

Thanks!

Scipio
 
Necchi:

Got it and thanks.

Now, what does a '200 Meter French Military' target look like? I take it that this is a Sil much like our 175 or 300 M Feedback target?

Scipio
 
Silhouette line at the NMLRA matches consist of:
Small bore (.40cal and under)
Large Bore
Smoothbore (also same as youth)
Long Range (same as BPCR 200-500 meters).
All targets are animal silhouettes of various sizes.

There are some matches that have shooter classifications as well as matches with age classifications.

The NRA as been on/off with ML over the years - in the past 5+ or so years they have worked with the NMLRA to host the NRA National Matches, using the NMLRA rules & regulations as the standard. As noted in the NMLRA June programs, there are numerous NRA matches.
 
Here's a link from the NMLRA website - September's program.
[//http://www.nmlra.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/fall-shoot-program.pdf]NMLRA Sept 2017 program[/url]

It doesn't look like I am good at posting photos or links on this site - go to the NMLRA website and click on the September program (photo of offhand silhouette shooter)
 
nhmoose - you're correct, but I believe you've completely missed interpreted his question.
 
The NMLRA website is a mess. You need to call the office and ask them to send you match programs. If you have further question call a Field Rep, there are several good ones who can explain in terms everyone can understand. You call call me, I am the Region 7 Coordinator.
Michael
 
Seems to, nhmoose gave good advice. Understanding the Match programs can be difficult at best with out help. The staff at the office know who gives good info.

Michael
 
I like to compete, but I hate all the minutia of the rules. Reading the rules for a particular match can lose sight of the fun factor. One of the reasons I dropped out of NRA competitions decades ago was the myriad of rule nitpickers that took some shooting disciplines. I was shooting black powder cartridge matches before the NRA got involved. When they did, the rules changed dramatically and My more accurate guns were suddenly prohibited from the match and guns that never existed in the black powder era, were suddenly permitted. The rule change was for the purpose of encouraging gun sales and suddenly it was an arms race to see who could buy the latest expensive sight or gun. I went to a match with my Martini and was permitted to shoot but it "wouldn't count" toward NRA classes and points. When my scores came in suddenly there was a big protest about my gun not having an exterior hammer. Another guy there did quite well with a H&R single barrel and the shooters complained that his gun had an automatic extractor. Really? Such BS. If you need make rules to exclude period correct firearms, then it is no longer competition. the results are being contrived.
 
I understand the issue, many times the people running the shoot make up the stupid rules so the can win a 5 cent medal. I shoot because I like to shoot I also voice a strong opinion when I can to open up matches to include more guns so more people can compete without special equipment.
My favorite stupid rule is non adjustable rear sight,if you own a TC with factory rear sight, you cannot shoot primitive matches or you have to shoot in any iron sight matches. Just plain stupid.
However I can and do help people through the complex rule issues so they can enjoy the NMLRA if they want to.
Michael
 
NHM:

I have been shooting High Power for the last thirty years and because of this, I understand the rules and can visualize how the matches are run and scored.

Although my HP competitive career does allow me to envision how the matches are run at Friendship, I will not compete there or at a regional match unless I watch the match in person. There are always nuances to these things that a competitor needs to understand before competing. Also, and maybe more importantly, to see the gear guys are using. I have always advised anyone who desires to compete in any marksmanship discipline to first go to a Regional match and see what guys are using. Then they can decide if they want to compete in that discipline and if so, the gear they need to be competitive.

Anyway -- I guess I will call the NMLRA and find out what a '200 Meter French Military Target' looks like. I got to say, I have looked at a lot of targets in my lifetime but never have seen one of these things. Is it running away perhaps?

He, he.

Scipio
 
FYI
Located some International ML info, the 200 meter French Military target used in International competition is shot by smooth bore muskets at 50M. The target states "10 ring measure 80mm diameter, with the black aiming mark out to the 6 ring measuring 400mm diameter"
NMLRA R&R- 10170; International Target #SB-1, states same 10 ring but in inches - 3.150", also black to 6 ring (15.748") plus rings to 4. R&R state all the dimensions. Seems like the same target.
NMLRA, AGG JJ, match 37 shows this match shot at 200yds.

Let's hope they can get the website running correctly as I know the recent revised one was disappointing- they're going a different direction.

Don't worry too much about attending Friendship to watch, bring your stuff, shoot and have fun. If you have any questions, there are many around that will help. You're not the first HP guy to attend.
 
52Bore said:
FYI
Located some International ML info, the 200 meter French Military target used in International competition is shot by smooth bore muskets at 50M. The target states "10 ring measure 80mm diameter, with the black aiming mark out to the 6 ring measuring 400mm diameter"
NMLRA R&R- 10170; International Target #SB-1, states same 10 ring but in inches - 3.150", also black to 6 ring (15.748") plus rings to 4. R&R state all the dimensions. Seems like the same target.
NMLRA, AGG JJ, match 37 shows this match shot at 200yds.

Let's hope they can get the website running correctly as I know the recent revised one was disappointing- they're going a different direction.

Don't worry too much about attending Friendship to watch, bring your stuff, shoot and have fun. If you have any questions, there are many around that will help. You're not the first HP guy to attend.

52B:

Good stuff! Sounds like a 50 yard Standard American Pistol Target. 10 ring very close and black very close. Not sure how the scoring rings agree but if the black is about the same size, I am more than good to go.

Appreciate the invitation to the Nationals! May just take you up on it!

Scipio
 
I wished I could. I believe the NMLRA is great organization, but sometimes I wonder what the Board is thinking.
Michael
 
The NMLRA holds primitive archery competitions at every Fall and Spring shoot.
There are also knife and 'hawk throwing events.
Primitive fire-starting is also part of some competitions.
Despite the fact that only "RIFLE" appears in the name, there are handgun and shotgun competitions as well.
In other words..the NMLRA is about a LOT more than
Muzzleloading Rifles. :hatsoff:
 
Don Steele said:
The NMLRA holds primitive archery competitions at every Fall and Spring shoot.
There are also knife and 'hawk throwing events.
Primitive fire-starting is also part of some competitions.
Despite the fact that only "RIFLE" appears in the name, there are handgun and shotgun competitions as well.
In other words..the NMLRA is about a LOT more than
Muzzleloading Rifles. :hatsoff:
Absolutely, very good response.
 
Rifleman1776 said:
That's for sure. Last time I went to it (sometime ago) the opening page had an archer. 'splain that one to me. :idunno:
It's a marketing strategy...Why draw water from a bucket when you can pump it out of a lake?
Bowhunters are a huge pool to "draw water from"

It's always about money.
 
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