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BillinOregon 
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06-26-17 08:27 AM - Post#1634045    


Turns out my great-great grandfather served under Col. John Coffee "Jack" Hayes, himself.

https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=W...

 
Colorado Clyde 
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Colorado Clyde
06-26-17 09:53 AM - Post#1634050    

    In response to BillinOregon

Was your great grandmother/father born before he went off to battle? Just think, if he had died in battle you would not exist...

 
BillinOregon 
Cannon
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06-26-17 11:30 AM - Post#1634063    

    In response to Colorado Clyde

Clyde, after the war James Wayland made his way to California, married my great-great grandmother Mary Rucker in Santa Clara in 1855 and my great-grandmother was born in 1858. She died a week before her 100th birthday, when I was 4 years old.

 
Native Arizonan 
54 Cal.
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06-26-17 11:40 AM - Post#1634066    

    In response to BillinOregon

It sure makes history real when you find connections like that.

 
Artificer 
Cannon
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06-26-17 12:53 PM - Post#1634073    

    In response to BillinOregon

Bill,

That is wonderful.

Any idea who placed the modern grave stone on the grave?

Gus

 
Colorado Clyde 
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Colorado Clyde
06-26-17 01:04 PM - Post#1634075    

    In response to BillinOregon

Good thing he moved to California...That probably kept him out of the civil war.. I wonder how many encounters of chance happened before you were born. ...

I'm glad the dice were in your favor...

 
Native Arizonan 
54 Cal.
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06-26-17 03:08 PM - Post#1634098    

    In response to Colorado Clyde

I'm surprised he wasn't in the Civil War anyway, even in CA.

 
BillinOregon 
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06-27-17 06:56 PM - Post#1634248    

    In response to Native Arizonan

Gus, I have no idea. I know there are organizations out there that search for veterans' graves. That's definitely
a U.S gummint headstone.
In about 1870, James moved his family by wagon from California back to Texas, to the Buffalo Gap area in the Hill Country. Pretty sure he decided ranching beef cattle in Texas, whose security he had fought for, was a better future -- and possibly a chance to reconnect with men he had ridden with. When he died in 1883 in Kimble County, Texas, his widow Mary gathered up her unmarried children and drove a herd of cattle to La Luz, New Mexico, where she ranched for the rest of her life. She and some of her kids -- my great-great aunts and uncles, are buried in Alamogordo, where I am about to move to.
Wife wants a divorce.

 
necchi 
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necchi
06-28-17 11:49 AM - Post#1634315    

    In response to Native Arizonan

  • Native Arizonan Said:
I'm surprised he wasn't in the Civil War anyway, even in CA.


Maybe, he'd had enough of fightin an killin by that time.
JohnT
Molon Labe~


 
Native Arizonan 
54 Cal.
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06-28-17 06:01 PM - Post#1634370    

    In response to necchi

  • necchi Said:
  • Native Arizonan Said:
I'm surprised he wasn't in the Civil War anyway, even in CA.


Maybe, he'd had enough of fightin an killin by that time.




Plenty of men who didn't want to fight were drafted.

 
Wes/Tex 
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Wes/Tex
06-29-17 11:14 AM - Post#1634453    

    In response to BillinOregon

Pretty cool...your great-great-grand pappy was all of 17 when that fracas cranked up! Wonder if he was one of the lucky 180 who got a Walker issued out by R.I.P. ford?

 
Artificer 
Cannon
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06-30-17 05:26 AM - Post#1634549    

    In response to BillinOregon

Bill,

Back in the very early 80's when I was doing Confederate Marine with an Alabama Infantry Unit, there was an Lady whose family had been searching for the grave of her ancestor who had died at Spotsylvania during the WBTS.

Thanks to the fact she came for a long visit and the NPS helped her look up very old records, they narrowed it down to one of two unmarked graves. Though it was not 100 percent certain identification, she had a daguerreotype of him in his uniform and they identified him by comparing the description of the body and the daguerreotype. The other body was not very close, so they were pretty certain they had the correct grave.

The U.S. Government had no "Civil War" era gravestones, so they issued one like the stone on your ancestor's grave. She had a copy made of the daguerreotype and placed in a sealed glass container to put on the front of the grave stone along with his information. So after all those years, her family finally knew where their ancestor was buried and his grave was properly marked.

She heard about our Unit and asked if we might fire volleys over the grave during the ceremony and of course we were honored to do so.

Gus

 
BillinOregon 
Cannon
Posts: 6465
07-01-17 03:41 PM - Post#1634771    

    In response to Artificer

Gus, that would be an honor indeed.

 
nhmoose 
58 Cal.
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nhmoose
07-01-17 05:04 PM - Post#1634788    

    In response to BillinOregon

Thank you for Honoring him!

 
BillinOregon 
Cannon
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12-02-17 07:45 AM - Post#1654717    

    In response to nhmoose

Found out a little more history. When Jim moved the family from California to Texas, they first lived in San Saba County for a few years before moving to Buffalo Gap in Taylor County. (Their two youngest boys died of diphtheria in San Saba.) I have heard 1883 was a bad year for water and grass in central Texas, which may have prompted the move to Kimble County-- and then the migration to the Tularosa Basin of New Mexico after Jim died. It is tantalizing to try to put the pieces together a century and a half later. Jim's widow Mary died here in Alamogordo in 1918. I often visit her grave.

 
BillinOregon 
Cannon
Posts: 6465
04-12-18 08:30 AM - Post#1679203    

    In response to BillinOregon

Addendum: After James passed in 1883, the two older boys, Millard and Jim Wayland, prepared to drive the family's cattle to New Mexico the following spring, find some water and grass somewhere in the Sacramento Mountains they had been hearing of, then send for their mother and the children. Well, it was July when the boys reached the Hueco Tanks not too far east of El Paso, where the trail turned north toward the Sacramentos and the Tularosa Basin towns of La Luz and Tularosa. Leaving Jim to watch the cattle, Millard took some time to carve his name in the rock under an overhang near where the Butterfield Stage Line briefly had a stage station in 1858-59. This protected cove near water sources on the east side of the Tanks had been a draw to humans for many thousands of years. It was July 25, 1884, when Millard Fillmore Wayland carved his name before the boys resumed their long journey north. Sacred ground for this pilgrim.



People have been leaving their marks in this place for centuries, if not millennia:



 
Kansas Jake 
50 Cal.
Posts: 1447
04-12-18 09:13 AM - Post#1679208    

    In response to BillinOregon

Interesting. I've been reading "900 Miles on the Butterfield Trail by A.C. Greene. It is about a couple's travels in the late 20th century along the trail primarily in Texas and New Mexico. The Greene's were retracing an earlier trip by a couple (Conklings) in the late 1920's.

I would be happy to pass it along when I get done with it if you are interested.


Edited by Kansas Jake on 04-12-18 09:21 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
satx78247 
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04-12-18 09:57 PM - Post#1679341    

    In response to BillinOregon

Are you a member of the AZTEC CLUB??
(IF you aren't, you should check them out.)

yours, satx


 
BillinOregon 
Cannon
Posts: 6465
04-13-18 09:19 AM - Post#1679380    

    In response to satx78247

Looked up the Aztec Club. Neat outfit.
My great-great grandfather was not an officer.

 
satx78247 
Cannon
Posts: 6160
04-13-18 12:25 PM - Post#1679428    

    In response to BillinOregon

A= Aztec Club member told me a few years ago (at a memorial service) that the group planned to open their organization to ALL descendants of veterans of The Mexican War.

SORRY.

yours, satx


 
smoothshooter 
50 Cal.
Posts: 1090
04-24-18 10:32 PM - Post#1681402    

    In response to BillinOregon

Great story.

Sorry about the divorce.

 
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