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Pirate Fashions Box Opening -- Two-For-One

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Alden

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Avast ye me hearties!

Whilst I am not actually showing a video I did want to share with you how underwhelmed and unimpressed I am with two Pirate Fashions real blackpowder guns I took a chance on...

These folk are apparently trying to break their way into "this thing of ours" (to quote Tony Soprano) re: serviceable arms. Their gunsmith, Mike, took the better part of a year, including making basic design improvements, to make a decent Catalan escopeta miquelet in a (1-1/2" too-short-for-me) oak stock. But worthy of trying repeat business...

More than five months ago I bought and paid for a Snapmatch (snapping matchlock) and a what they call a Matchlock Caliver that is really a petronel, but don't tell anyone...

They were accomodating on the extended LOP so I could actually shoot them and said it would be about six weeks, but, a week later they called to say they couldn't get any octagonal barrel stock due to hunting season and asked if I'd accept round and nice European Walnut because that's all that was available too. "OK, fine."

After five months I called to see what was going on. A couple of weeks later I got what you see bits of below.

The snaplock is sheet-metal lock parts with filing marks everywhere and is weak-springed -- except for the fact that the serpentine wobbles when uncocked that's OK because it may not snuff the slowmatch out as another I have could. Has an ugly welded-on pan with rough filing and a gap at the touchole that itself couldn't be lower in the simply drilled-out pan which is true for both guns -- they are simply in the wrong place! Forget that a lockscrew (nail) was loose. Both guns came somewhat pre-rusted which is OK only when it is bluing or browned! And what's with all the file and lathe chatter marks!? Look at the barrel and also note the most embarrassing "wedding bands" anyone has ever had the audacity to put on guns. These are SUPPOSED to be .50 Colerain barrels. What?!?









I can't even shoot them until I mic the thinest parts to see if they are safe which I have my doubts about though they have been double-proofed, to be fair, which is comforting.

The sheet-steel snapmatch serpentine is at least aligned with the drill-bit diameter "pan" though it has a cheesy ring that slides up to tighten the matchcord. But the caliver? If you look at the picture you'll see how far away the serpentine is from the pan and the end of the pen is where it would hit the pan fully closed. Ever see string hold itself straight enough for a couple of inches to hit a drill-bit sized pan? Even if it could the serpentine wobbles left to right and back and forth a half an inch! What junk!



As you can see the caliver also came with a pre-repaired skouring stick (ramrod) channel and I dare not try to put it back in -- I don't know how I got it out and it won't go back more than a few inches before it feels like it's gonna break. The muzzle flair -- now isn't that special? The tiller trigger has internal forces working on it I can't even describe...







Wood-to-metal fit goes from awful, as in along the barrel of the snaplock on the left where it is all GLUE, to OK in some places. But how do you sand waves into a flat side of wood?

I'll leave this as it is for now except to say that too much of the work seems like an inner-city vocational High School Junior shop class project and one gun is completely unuseable as the bits-n-pieces-welded-together to make a serpentine are not in battery with the tiny pan. Especially sad is that it actually took a whole semester to make 'em this way, kids. And though I got these "guns" at a lower price than what they are being offered for today, they weren't worth it even if they can be salvaged.

I didn't have high expectations, and I know quality doesn't cost, it pays, but STILL!

Recommendation? Do NOT buy any real blackpowder arms from Pirate Fashions anytime soon (like until Obama leaves office) unless you are AT their Tampa store where they will warmly greet you like the pirates and swashbuckling gay blades they are, oh yes, and you can handle the merchandise for yourself, matey.

Arrghhh!
 
Thank you for sharing
those have to be the worst looking mantel queens I have ever seen. That has got to hurt. :(
 
LOL

Once I get the chance to mic the barrels and have the caliver serpentine fixed these COULD actually work.

Clyde, don't feel TOO bad for me. It was a gamble, I spent 1/3rd less than they're getting today, for the price these were meant to be knock-arounds, and I could get my money back tomorrow...
 
At first I thought it was an Indian-made piece but the quality is not that good. There are a lot of folks out there selling a lot of junk with a lot of enthusiasm. Exercise caution when dealing with them.

Oh Boy! I just looked at the swords on their site. They are asking three and four times the price asked by most retailers for what I refer to as filler knives at our business. I think they are hoping the customer won't be able to tell the difference or do any shopping. These folks are true pirates!
 
These guys are in Saint Augustine (Olde Town) and sell to the tourists and pirate reenactors. They are neither shooters or "gunsmiths" in the true sense. Visiting their store is a treat for 8-year-olds, and they appear to have a lot of fun talking like movie pirates. No criticism intended, just not what we are looking for.
 
Yes, India-made is better done.

Gotta understand these stocking, leather-strap, and silk bandana-wearing fellas are clearly more interested in Capt. Jack Sparrow than Edward "Blackbeard" Teach and seem to have now built their business (including bringing on a professional gunbuilder partner with an apprentice) around the annual Gasparilla -- it is their "Christmas Season." But I do know they are, were anyway, trying to do the right thing.

Gasparilla? I suspected it was an erotic asphixiation celebration, but...

"The Gasparilla Pirate Festival is an annual celebration held in the city of Tampa, Florida. Held each year in late January or early February and hosted by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla and the City of Tampa, it celebrates the apocryphal legend of José Gaspar (Gasparilla), a mythical Spanish pirate captain who supposedly operated in Southwest Florida."
-Wiki

Up to 1 million people go to at least one Gasparilla event they say.
 
I could not find any guns on their site but have looked in on it before and seen them. What am I missing? Sorry...looked at the wrong site. Apparently that area is full of pirate stores.
 
Alden:

:shocked2: :shocked2: :shocked2: :shocked2: :td:

Any chance you can get a refund?

Thanks for the warning!

Slowmatch Forever!
Teleoceras
 
Hey G;
I thought it was important to share. Yes, I could get a refund. I am not looking for one though.

However, I have already contacted them regarding the specifics of the inoperable petronel and am awaiting a response as to how they want to handle it. I am a little surprised their Captain, Tiger Lee, "the Pirate from The South China Sea" (and no I'm not kidding!) hasn't responded but they were probably closed for the holiday. Turns out it was Martin Luther King, Jr., day.
 
Alden: Thanks for the heads-up.
I get to Tampa on business 2-3 times a year. Might have to check that Festival out.
Rick. :hatsoff:
 
I noticed they have a wheel lock rifle on the site which they are apparently building, at a cost of $50,000. I do not know what they are smoking down there and I cannot tell much about the gun since clicking on the detailed photos at the bottom brings up the Indian-made Scottish pistol rather than the wheel lock, but that is a huge sum of money for what it appears to be. In the heyday of Colonial Williamsburg's gun shop, when they were making complete guns for sale - and of course they made all the components too - the most they asked for their work was $10,000 (as I recall). Here we have an unknown maker who produced something a forum member bought and has been somewhat critical of, asking a king's ransom for what could be a vastly over priced piece of work, in advance of it even being completed. I am puzzled??!!
 
Never buy a gun from any place that has the word FASHIONS in their title. Just sayin.
That being said are they even made to fire with a live charge. I would be checking that breech plug.
 
Alden:
It sucks to get boned like that. I would be livid :cursing: and I would give them lots of free advertising.On the bright side, you never mentioned HAWKEN once! :rotf:
Nit Wit
 
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