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T.O. 
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T.O.
09-09-12 09:00 PM - Post#1188766    


I have done all kinds of searches and read all I can on this topic, and I have started to just do the normal thing and order a 42 or 44 inch barrel. The problem is I have guns like that already and I cant get the idea out of my head that I want a long barreled flintlock rifle. I am not talking too crazy 50+, maybe 46 +or- an inch. I used a rubber band and a ruler, and found that a 45 inch barrel should be as tall as my chin and a 48 inch barrel would be near my nose. I believe the longer sight radius has got to be an advantage, no questions about it. And if I had the right swamped barrel, I believe it would hold nice on a paper bulleye or novelty target as well. I know it wouldn't be handy in a deer stand or dragging through the woods. I am not looking for a hunting gun. I just want a rondy, club contest,and paper gun. I am really just thinking about an Early style (wide buttplate) 58 caliber with a 46-ish swamped barrel and weighing in the 10 lb zone. It would be nice if I could be at Friendship this week to see if such a gun exists. I would like to shoulder one before I start ordering a barrel. And speaking of a barrel, what would be the recommended ratio of rifling for the most accurate target work. 1:66-1:72 or ? Any thoughts on this....

 
Jethro224 
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Jethro224
09-09-12 10:24 PM - Post#1188794    

    In response to T.O.

If you get to Friendship, go over to the modern side shooting line and ask around for a guy named Charlie Burton. He should be over there shooting. He's also a NMLRA board member. And a member of the MLF, goes by "dixie" here. Talk to him about barrels. I'm pretty sure he can make you exactly what you want.



 
Matt85 
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09-10-12 01:16 AM - Post#1188814    

    In response to T.O.

are you looking for just a barrel or a completed gun?

the Rice Barrel company offers a 46" golden age style barrel. http://www.ricebarrels.com/chart.html

i recently bought a Jaeger barrel from them and i can say they took good care of me. (i snagged the last 58 cal 32" barrel they had in stock )

 
Keb 
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Keb
09-10-12 04:25 AM - Post#1188816    

    In response to T.O.

I've got a .50 cal rifle with a 50" double tapered octagon barrel that's in the white. I can't hold it. It's just too muzzle heavy. I'm thinking of making it into a smoothbored .62 or bigger. I don't know yet... OTOH, I also have a .65 cal x 48" that holds marvelously.

 
T.O. 
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T.O.
09-10-12 06:40 AM - Post#1188826    

    In response to Jethro224


I had the builder call Rice and the answer wasnt definite on when the long 46 could be made. ( waiting on a 58 reamer or something) I am sure that it would be made eventually. I need to talk to Charlie Burton, if I go long, thats probably the route I will take.

 
Dan Phariss 
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Dan Phariss
09-10-12 10:05 AM - Post#1188891    

    In response to T.O.

Barrels over 42-44 are really cool to look at and talk about. In a practical sense they are a PITA being so long.
I am 5'9" and 44" barrel is as long as I care to own.
Dan

 
Matt85 
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09-10-12 03:55 PM - Post#1188999    

    In response to Dan Phariss

  • Dan Phariss Said:
Barrels over 42-44 are really cool to look at and talk about. In a practical sense they are a PITA being so long.
I am 5'9" and 44" barrel is as long as I care to own.
Dan



i will agree with this, ive got a rifle with a 42" 50 cal barrel and while it looks great its not my favorite gun to shoot. the nose of the gun is simply to heavy to really use any place but on a bench rest. then again its not a swamped barrel and that might make a big diffrence.

my next rifle will have a shorter 32" swamped barrel. this would be more ideal for packen around in the woods.

Edited by Matt85 on 09-10-12 03:56 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
T.O. 
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T.O.
09-10-12 06:04 PM - Post#1189046    

    In response to Dan Phariss

They must not be that common anymore.
I am 6'ft, If I can get the right barrel, a long well balanced swamped barrel maybe 46, I think it will be okay. I had the chance to buy one a little over 48 and passed on it, it wasnt a 58 caliber like I wanted and I was scared I would have to ride down the road with it sticking out the window of my Toyota truck.

Edited by T.O. on 09-10-12 06:05 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Anonymous 
09-10-12 07:11 PM - Post#1189074    

    In response to T.O.

I made the mistake of getting the Grinslade book "Flintlock Fowlers" and fell in love with the New England fowling pieces. The upshot of that love story is a scaled down New England fowler in 20 ga with a 72" barrel. It's more awkward to transport than it is to shoot. The gun weighs in at 11# and overall is 7'4" butt to muzzle. I can shoot it offhand but have also made a shooting stick.
Mark

 
jdkerstetter 
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jdkerstetter
09-10-12 08:20 PM - Post#1189103    

    In response to T.O.

  • T.O. Said:
They must not be that common anymore.


They never have been that common. 36", 42 and 44" are the common lengths.

Rice and Colerain can make 'em as can others like Rayl and Getz. Give 'em a call and you may get lucky but you will probably have to wait.

With backlogs these days it's best to plan a year or two ahead for a build requiring less common parts like this.

It's all about patience. Good luck, J.D.


 
smoothbore addict 
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smoothbore addict
09-11-12 07:08 AM - Post#1189233    

    In response to jdkerstetter

I'm sure thats true for the white settlers, but there are several historical mentions of trade rifles for the indians that were "4 ft. in the barrel."

 
Keb 
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Keb
09-11-12 07:46 AM - Post#1189245    

    In response to smoothbore addict

I don't mean to butt in but I think this thread discussion is about modern muzzleloading barrels. I've been making them since the 80's and most of the available barrels back then were 36" to 42". I'm sure it had to do with production limitations and the limited amount of makers.

 
Dan Phariss 
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Dan Phariss
09-11-12 08:18 AM - Post#1189260    

    In response to smoothbore addict

  • smoothbore addict Said:
I'm sure thats true for the white settlers, but there are several historical mentions of trade rifles for the indians that were "4 ft. in the barrel."



4ft in the barrel covers a lot of territory in the 18th century. Kentucky rifles with 44" barrels would fall into the "4 foot" category. Nobody had a tape measure in their pocket after all.
I believe that this is where the 48" twist came from. In Europe especially many rifles even very short barreled ones had twists of 1 turn in the barrel. A 26" barrel would have a 26" twist even if it was a 75 caliber.

Dan

 
jdkerstetter 
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jdkerstetter
09-11-12 08:35 AM - Post#1189269    

    In response to Keb

Thanks Keb. You are correct.....I too thought it obvious I was referring to the OP's search for a 46"+ barrel for his build when I recommended current barrel producers. Didn't see this as a thread on what was common or not historically.

Enjoy, J.D.

 
Anonymous 
09-11-12 06:32 PM - Post#1189507    

    In response to smoothbore addict

Smoothbore,
Don't forget that trade rifles for the Native Americans were sold based on a pile of skins as high as the rifle was tall. Hence the longer barrels.
Mark

 
Bear64 
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Bear64
09-11-12 06:39 PM - Post#1189514    

    In response to Papa

Pure

 
Anonymous 
09-11-12 07:06 PM - Post#1189530    

    In response to Bear64

Could be, but read it a number of times over the years. That makes it like the newspaper, if they print it it must be the truth!
Mark

 
Dan Phariss 
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Dan Phariss
09-11-12 07:38 PM - Post#1189543    

    In response to Papa

  • Papa Said:
Could be, but read it a number of times over the years. That makes it like the newspaper, if they print it it must be the truth!
Mark



But they were sold both in 48 and 36" barrels.

Dan

 
Dan Phariss 
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Dan Phariss
09-11-12 07:39 PM - Post#1189545    

    In response to Papa

  • Papa Said:
Could be, but read it a number of times over the years. That makes it like the newspaper, if they print it it must be the truth!
Mark



You also have to be very careful to note if its a primary source or something someone wrote in a book in the 1950s.

Dan

 
T.O. 
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T.O.
09-11-12 08:25 PM - Post#1189576    

    In response to Keb

I don't know where they got the barrels for them but I have seen pictures of rifles that nearly reached the noses of the men holding them. I cant repost the pic. but there is a pic of H House on here with a barrel to his nose at least in the gallery section of http://www.kyclr.com/history.php
I think I can get anything I need up to 48 inches from Charles Burton. I was just wondering if anyone on the forum has any experience with such a gun. I am going to get to handle and hopefully shoot one this October at the Possum Branch with a 47 inch swamped barrel. Since I have never even got to handle a gun like that, I want as much info as I can get before I order a barrel.

 
Anonymous 
09-11-12 09:49 PM - Post#1189608    

    In response to Dan Phariss

Probably was Sam Fadala or Toby Bridges, that would automatically make it the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Mark

 
Spence10 
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09-11-12 10:33 PM - Post#1189617    

    In response to T.O.

  • T.O. Said:
I was just wondering if anyone on the forum has any experience with such a gun.


T.O., I can't contribute anything about a rifle that long, but I shoot a smooth rifle of that type, and can tell you about that. It's an original flintlock, last stock in the early 1800s, but with a barrel quite a bit older than that.

The gun is a 28 ga./.55 caliber with an octagonal swamped barrel 49 1/2" long, The barrel is 1 1/8 at the breech, tapers to 3/4" at 8" from the muzzle, then flares to 7/8" at the muzzle. The bore is straight, .55" from the breech to within 1 1/2" from the muzzle, then is coned/belled/relieved to 20 ga./.62" at the muzzle. Total weight of the gun is 6 lb. 15 oz., 4 lb. 14 oz. for the barrel, 2 lb. 1 oz. for the stock, lock and furniture.

I shoot several guns regularly, but this gun has always been the best handling one I own. It is balanced perfectly, right at the ramrod entry thimble 12 1/2" from the breech, and is a natural for offhand shooting. I've taken a lot of squirrels and a couple of deer with it, it feels like part of you when you are hunting with it. I don't think having a rifled barrel would change that.



Spence

 
T.O. 
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T.O.
09-12-12 06:02 AM - Post#1189681    

    In response to Spence10

Thanks Spence that's a beautiful gun for sure.It is amazing how light and balanced it is. I like it.

 
Sunkmanitu Tanka 
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Sunkmanitu Tanka
09-12-12 07:33 AM - Post#1189697    

    In response to Spence10

beautifull piece!

 
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