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Login Name Post: Green Mountain Barrels        (Topic#269833)
Dan Phariss 
70 Cal.
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Dan Phariss
06-13-12 10:05 PM - Post#1156782    

    In response to Skychief

  • Skychief Said:
Thanks for the link Dan.

I couldn't hazzard a guess at the cost of these barrels. Anybody have any ballpark figures?

Best regards, Skychief.



I have two 1 1/4" x 44" McLemore barrels, these cost 425 each.
One is in a rifle and has won about $200 or a little more in prize money in 3 matches.
If you look at what he has is stock there are prices.
I am hoping he is looking into making a 69 cal barrel for my English Sporting rifle. We exchanged some emails I am waiting for the verdict now.
We ordered 7 of these heavy chunk gun barrels and they are ALL very uniform internally. External finish needs to be draw filed and polished (or not). But no more really than many barrels I have used over the years from Badger and others. The first 2-3 GMs I bought years ago had "domed" flats for example.

But being 4150 its tough and requires a sharp file. He also has a waiting list most of the time.

Dan


 
Skychief 
69 Cal.
Posts: 3134
Skychief
06-15-12 10:38 PM - Post#1157460    

    In response to Dan Phariss

Thank you.

 
BrianL 
40 Cal.
Posts: 304
BrianL
06-16-12 07:23 PM - Post#1157724    

    In response to Greenmtnboy

  • Greenmtnboy Said:
GMB barrels suck as of late I switched to Rice never looked back.
I had to send several back called and complained to no advail.



Initially I read this and was not in agreement as I have had 4 barrels that were outstanding right out of the box.
I just bought a new barrel in .40 cal. It has been a learning experience. My initial reaction was that I had gotten a lemon based on my past experience. I was going to return it but was swayed by some very helpful members of this forum. They told me that it is a normal procedure to have to 'shoot in ' a new barrel and that when done properly, it would probably be a tack driver. They were absolutely correct!!
I thank with whole heart those that talked me off that ledge.

But............that brings me to a question that has been nagging me over the course of 4 sessions at my 25 and 50 yd range.

What is acceptable?

If I had been forced to drive to the nearest range, 18 miles four times minimum, it would have cost me 16 gallons of gas, 1 1/2 lbs of powder, 200 balls, patches, hours spent cleaning , etc. To shoot in a barrel that I would have thought ready to go at purchase. These are not kits to be finished by the end user. Just saying....

With the initial cost of $250 shipped and $80 for gas and supplies, it seems rather excessive.

I do not want to detract from the invaluable learning experience that this barrel provided or in any way do anything but admire the helpful individuals who were so insightful, but being in manufacturing for 39 years has made me expect a modicum of attention to detail of a modern machining process. How difficult or time consuming would it be to remove the sharp edges left by machining. I already know the answer to this.
For what it is worth, I bore-scoped a bunch of barrel this week from 5 manufacturers and the GM barrels are the smoothest, except the edges of the lands, a fact that we all know, why can't they deal with this known issue???



 
Rat Trapper 
62 Cal.
Posts: 2620
Rat Trapper
06-17-12 07:35 AM - Post#1157836    

    In response to BrianL

It isn't just Green Mountain barrels that are sharp. My buddy just finished his first build, a Late Lancaster flinter. His patches were nasty looking, at least those we could find. His barrel is a Rice. He built it from parts from Track of the Wolf.
My Green Mountain 40 cal barrel was pretty sharp too, but I lapped it a little and now it is pretty good.
I have a new 54 cal GM barrel that I haven't gotten around to shooting yet.


 
Walks with fire 
54 Cal.
Posts: 1839
06-18-12 02:38 PM - Post#1158211    

    In response to BrianL

Well you could lap the barrel(which I don't like to do)and save all that shooting time and money. I have centerfire rifles that are the same way. I need to run several hundred shots before I get those tiny little groups that makes it all worth the time.

 
Dan Phariss 
70 Cal.
Posts: 4622
Dan Phariss
06-18-12 06:43 PM - Post#1158261    

    In response to BrianL

  • BrianL Said:

For what it is worth, I bore-scoped a bunch of barrel this week from 5 manufacturers and the GM barrels are the smoothest, except the edges of the lands, a fact that we all know, why can't they deal with this known issue???





Its a cost thing, they would also have to train someone to deal with the problem.
The McLemore barrels I have seen do not need anything done to them. But they cost more.

Now you know that barrels sometimes need a little smoothing.
Modern BL barrels with hot tank blue are often full of crap in the form of oxidation left over from bluing. These often need to be cleaned with JB compound to get this gunk out.

Dan

 
Greenmtnboy 
62 Cal.
Posts: 2582
Greenmtnboy
06-20-12 10:21 AM - Post#1158745    

    In response to BrianL

  • BrianL Said:
  • Greenmtnboy Said:
GMB barrels suck as of late I switched to Rice never looked back.


But............that brings me to a question that has been nagging me over the course of 4 sessions at my 25 and 50 yd range.

What is acceptable?




Hey buddy this is the last Greenmtnbarrel I bought.
It was rough rough rough!! lots of chatter marks.
Where it normally takes me three hours and a six pack of beer to lapp a new barrel in with neco lapping compound, this barrel required seven hours of back breaking work to get the chatter marks down to where I felt it would not impeed my shoot in process.
I expect MOA, nothing less.




 
Greenmtnboy 
62 Cal.
Posts: 2582
Greenmtnboy
06-20-12 10:28 AM - Post#1158750    

    In response to Greenmtnboy

oops sorry,
that was actually a rice barrel I shot in last winter.
as you can see Rice barrels rock!!
I will take pics of my 40 cal targets and post them tomorow.
by the way I diden't even have to Lapp the Rice barrel.
In fact that group was after only 10 shots to bring it up to a six oclock point of aim.


 
buttonbuck 
50 Cal.
Posts: 1486
buttonbuck
06-20-12 11:00 AM - Post#1158759    

    In response to Greenmtnboy

nice! group, after my next purchase I plan to get a flintlock full stock in a hunting caliber, probably 54 and am considering what barrel to get. This helps a lot. I am going to build the CVA kit I have from the 70's clean up the plains pistol my oldest and i built and then try to tackle the flintlock.

 
Greenmtnboy 
62 Cal.
Posts: 2582
Greenmtnboy
06-21-12 10:12 AM - Post#1159048    

    In response to BrianL

hey buddy here is my 40 cal Greenmtnbarrel results.
with out a doubt 40 is a finnicky cal.



 
smo 
69 Cal.
Posts: 3659
smo
06-21-12 06:15 PM - Post#1159212    

    In response to Greenmtnboy

Dang GMB I wish my barrels sucked like that. That's some fine shootin'

Edited by smo on 06-21-12 06:15 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
BrianL 
40 Cal.
Posts: 304
BrianL
06-21-12 08:51 PM - Post#1159263    

    In response to smo

I am assuming that the sucky part was all the work that he had to do to get it to shoot like that.

 
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