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Login Name Post: Moroccan Snaphaunce        (Topic#266114)
ricky 
54 Cal.
Posts: 1902
02-05-12 04:12 PM - Post#1106230    


Now, here's something different. Just finished this project. Believe it or not, I've wanted one of these since I was 14 years old. 47 years later I now have one that is safe to shoot. Specs:
Gun: Moroccan Mukahla from the Tetuan (North Coastal) region of Morocco. Early-Mid 1800's.
Lock: Snaphaunce, in the Dutch style. Repair and tuning by Roy Stroh.
Stock: Hardwood. Walnut (I think?).
Barrel: 48". Fixed rear a blade front sight. Now a .55 caliber, new steel smooth bore liner by Bob Hoyt. Maker's mark near the breech.
I picked this specimen to make into a shooter since it is basically undecorated, with minor collector value. This should be a hoot to shoot!
The last photo includes Original Moroccan Powder Horn and small Priming Flask which I plan on using at the Range. Oh, and a Koummya Dagger with a signed blade, just for fun. OK - on with the comments!!














 
smo 
69 Cal.
Posts: 3656
smo
02-05-12 04:21 PM - Post#1106234    

    In response to ricky



If she loads from the front and makes smoke she's fine by me.

 
Anonymous 
02-05-12 06:34 PM - Post#1106271    

    In response to smo

Cool project. When is the camel coming to finish out the outfit?

Bill

 
Mike Brooks 
Cannon
Posts: 6686
02-05-12 06:37 PM - Post#1106274    

    In response to ricky

If you and I ever meet in person I'll be wanting to shoot that.

 
wulf 
54 Cal.
Posts: 1587
02-05-12 07:09 PM - Post#1106284    

    In response to ricky

A collector AND a shooter...Hats off to you sir.
Bring that old stuff back to life for the experience of it is great....
Wulf

 
Trench 
62 Cal.
Posts: 2989
Trench
02-05-12 09:03 PM - Post#1106328    

    In response to ricky

Wow!

 
ricky 
54 Cal.
Posts: 1902
02-06-12 07:31 AM - Post#1106422    

    In response to Bill of the 45th Parallel

Hi Bill. That's what my Brother keeps ribbing me about. Don't have a camel, but maybe I can borrow someone's goat and tie it to a nearby post while I shoot - just for effect. Rick.

 
ricky 
54 Cal.
Posts: 1902
02-06-12 07:36 AM - Post#1106424    

    In response to Mike Brooks

Hi Mike. You are welcome to shoot any of the guns I own - including three you built!
It should be fun loading with original horn and priming flask. (Maybe I'm just possessed ) Anything for "effect" Rick.

 
ricky 
54 Cal.
Posts: 1902
02-06-12 07:42 AM - Post#1106425    

    In response to wulf

Hi Wulf. There's always that extra ? you get shooting an original. When I bought the gun two barrel bands were missing, and the others were pretty beat up. So I made some new ones out of thin five thousanths sheet brass. The ramrod was too large in diameter and too short. So I made a new one. That huge Snaphaunce lock took some surgery. (Thank you Roy Stroh). But she sparks good now. Rick.

 
Roy 
70 Cal.
Posts: 4763
Roy
02-06-12 07:50 AM - Post#1106429    

    In response to ricky

So thats what that lock was for... Ya know I seriously have my doubts if that lock ever truly "worked" before

Now where's the smiley that is pulling out his hair??


 
ricky 
54 Cal.
Posts: 1902
02-06-12 08:02 AM - Post#1106432    

    In response to Roy

Now Roy, be nice. I'll start talking about Indian made or canoe guns......you don't know what I'm capable of
That'll teach you to take on any of Rick's repair jobs.
Seriously, I REALLY appreciate you fixing this lock. I know it was a real challenge. And I'm sure it gave you fits. You're right. I wonder how it ever worked to begin with? These locks made in that part of the World really had no hardening. They must have been in a constant state of repair? Thanks again for the fix! Rick.

 
Roy 
70 Cal.
Posts: 4763
Roy
02-06-12 08:46 AM - Post#1106443    

    In response to ricky



With no scratches on the face of the frizzen I doubt this one did


 
wattlebuster 
69 Cal.
Posts: 3495
wattlebuster
02-06-12 04:54 PM - Post#1106628    

    In response to ricky

It would take a redneck like me 2 days to figure out how to shoot that BUT its cool anyway
Nothing beats the feel of a handmade southern iron mounted flintlock on a fine frosty morning


 
Mike Brines 
75 Cal.
Posts: 5845
Mike Brines
02-06-12 04:58 PM - Post#1106630    

    In response to ricky

I used to have all those accouterments that went with the Berber rifle I have, but some how they are gone. Garage sale? My wife?

 
BillinOregon 
Cannon
Posts: 6216
02-08-12 08:05 AM - Post#1107269    

    In response to Mike Brines

Ricky, your collecting and shooting instincts are wonderful. Please, please give us a Youtube when you get that dark-eyed beauty to the range!
Regarding the butt, is the grain in the two apparently added sections perpendicular to the grain in the rest of the stock? Could the wood be olive?
And last but not least, WHERE THE HECK TO YOU FIND THESE TREASURES?


 
ricky 
54 Cal.
Posts: 1902
02-09-12 08:44 PM - Post#1107959    

    In response to BillinOregon

Hi Bill. Thanks for your comments. Researchers and collectors believe there were two reasons for the butt stocks being made in sections. 1) The ability to carve the stock without the necessity of a WIDE single piece of wood to form the butt style. 2) The ability to make the LOP equal to the buyer's requirements. Sppeaking of LOP: One of the difficulties in shooting these guns will be the SHORT LOP. 12" is common with Middle Eastern longarms. 150 years ago people were generally of smaller stature. You will notice this even if you shoulder an American or European longarm from this period. People from the Middle East were likely even shorter in stature. Olive Wood? Could be? I don't know. I'm not too knowledgeable with wood identification. But I know who to contact to find out. Would be worth knowing. Youtube vidio? Hmmmm. I'm trying to finish some projects this winter so I can spend every weekend this Spring and Summer at the Range SHOOTING vs working on guns. I do plan on doing a series of Range Reports with my impressions of shooting these strange pieces. Four different longarms, and a couple of pistols. yes, as long as I'm going to all the trouble, why not a video? I'll look into that. I'll have a couple more to post (Turkish and Persian) over the next 30 days. Stay tuned for more craziness! Thanks, Rick.




 
Anonymous 
02-10-12 03:26 PM - Post#1108271    

    In response to ricky

That guy must be from California, looks like he's wearing birkenstocks and a Hari Krishna robe

Bill

 
wulf 
54 Cal.
Posts: 1587
02-10-12 09:57 PM - Post#1108433    

    In response to ricky

Here is a thought.. I heard it was possible they
held that huge wide and long butt against their
chest...could be...riding a camel with the butt
against the chest would give great leverage to
the right hand...The long barrel is very light
and in that position wouldn't be too barrel
heavy...also that could help expain the LP...
Just a thought....what do I know???

 
Uncle Pig 
50 Cal.
Posts: 1149
Uncle Pig
02-10-12 11:32 PM - Post#1108448    

    In response to ricky

Now you need the robes and you will be ready for a rondy. All documented to pre 1836 right?

Foster from Flint

 
ricky 
54 Cal.
Posts: 1902
02-11-12 07:44 AM - Post#1108507    

    In response to Bill of the 45th Parallel

Good one Bill! Notice the gun in the photo is almost a clone of mine. Wonder when this photo was taken? Maybe someone with knowledge of old construction can tell by the door knob? Rick.

 
ricky 
54 Cal.
Posts: 1902
02-11-12 08:02 AM - Post#1108510    

    In response to wulf

Hi Wulf. Shooting from the chest is one school of thought. If you try this, even with the gun's light weight, it's very awkward. Another is that the butt stock would sit flat on the ground while loading from horseback. I don't believe this one either. The gun would have to be even longer to load from horseback, much less a camel. Although I've seen one with a 60" barrel. No, I believe the butt style was simply an aid to carry under the arm pit while riding. But even the top experts with these guns don't know for sure. Just another mystery of these strange guns. Rick.

 
ricky 
54 Cal.
Posts: 1902
02-11-12 08:06 AM - Post#1108513    

    In response to Uncle Pig

Now a days, "I" would probably be used as target practice by others. Rick.

 
Roy 
70 Cal.
Posts: 4763
Roy
02-11-12 08:42 AM - Post#1108527    

    In response to ricky

a 12" lop is not impossible to shoot.. I do not find it bad at all really. Keep your head up and push your shoulder forward to meet the butt of the gun if you seat the gun to the shoulder and then lower your head your nose will be touching your thumb..


 
ricky 
54 Cal.
Posts: 1902
02-12-12 04:57 PM - Post#1109183    

    In response to Roy

Roy: That's a good idea! It also has a rewar sight, so that should help. Thanks again for the tip. Rick.

 
Mike Brines 
75 Cal.
Posts: 5845
Mike Brines
02-13-12 12:26 PM - Post#1109524    

    In response to ricky

The Berber's are also in Morrocco, and the story goes that they load their rifles, ride their camels as hard as they can all abreast, and when they get to the end of the fiels, they shoot their guns into the air, reload and do it all over again. In that scenario, LOP doesn't matter. The rifle never goes to their shoulder, as they shoot with the rifle high above their heads with their arms extended.

 
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