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Memphis1211 
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10-14-11 09:32 AM - Post#1055261    


I have always had an interest in him and have begun doing research on him and the rifles he used. Can anyone provide me with any reliable and documented information in reference to any rifles he used. The only information I obtained so far that is reliable is he carried a pennsylvania rifle in .48 caliber for his first rifle. If what I read is true, he sold it to obtain a courting horse after he met his first wife. Can anyone help me out?

 
hounddog 
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10-14-11 08:40 PM - Post#1055503    

    In response to Memphis1211

Memphis, All you have to do is google up ol davy there is quite alot of info on him. By the way 3 rifles of davy still survive, the 48 cal is in a museum in Tenn old betsey no 2 is the 40 cal given to him by his constutients when he was in congress and was the gun he used o kill the 125 bears in 5 years, it also is in amuseum in Temm. the 3hd gun is a percussion and is in the possession of a decendant in Texas He will not allow it to be examined, I hear he is a lawer that says it all yours hounddog

 
Memphis1211 
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10-15-11 06:18 AM - Post#1055575    

    In response to hounddog

Thanks for the information hounddog.

 
hhughh 
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10-19-11 12:32 PM - Post#1057252    

    In response to Memphis1211

Memphis,
I just put a post in "flintlock rifles" that you may find interesting.

Enjoy,
Hugh

 
John L. Hinnant 
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10-22-11 06:54 PM - Post#1058800    

    In response to Memphis1211

Good Morning Memphis 1211,

There are four known David Crockett rifles. Hounddog's information is correct about three of them.

Last March, The Colonel's first rifle, A York County flintlock was on display in the Menger Hotel Lobby for the 175th Anniversay of the Fall of the Alamo in March, 2011. It is owned by an individual, and was extensively written up in a 1980's Muzzle Blast issue.

At the time of the San Antonio display, I was one of a very few allowed to hold and handle the Crockett rifle, To hold the rifle and look through the same sights that a young David Crockett sighted through, caused the hair on the back of my neck to stand up, and shivers to run down my spine.

The 40 caliber rifle rifle is a bit of a disappointment. Due to extensive abuse, it was re-stocked and converted to caplock in 1886, fifty years after the Fall of the Alamo. You can contact the DRT Research Library in San Antonio, and for a small fee, get a copy of the letter by the then owner of the rifle who describes how the rifle came into his possesion and why he converted it.

There is also a second rifle which is displayed in the Alamo Long Barracks that Colonel Crockett brought with him from Tennessee to Texas. He trsded this rifle to a young Andy Thomas, who later converted it to a caplock.

This rifle is typical Tennesse style with a long very heavy barrel in 45 caliber. The rifle weighs 14 plus pounds. I have always suspected this was a special match rifle for "over-the-log" turkey and beef shoots.

The Houston, Texas Crockett Rifle is the 1935 presentation rifle given to Colonel Crockett in 1935 by the "Young Whigs of Philadelphia". It is truly a beautiful presentation rifle.

It is of half-stock design with an English back action lock and barrel. The barrel is 50 caliber, a bit over 40 inches long in 59 caliber with a 1-48 rifling twist. Weight is 10-1/2 pounds

The stock is of figured maple with all siver fittings and mountings; all of which are engraved.The stock has an unusually long (and ugly in my mind) pistol grip.

There is some debate on whether or not he carried this rifle to Texas. At this time, it cannot be proved one way or the other.

The current owner, a Crockett descendant, does not allow the rifle to be displayed and virtually nobody to see it. I am told (by a very reliable source) a big time Hollywood movie producer has offerred him $1,000,000 to photograph and measure the rifle for a personal re-production and was turned down

Colonel Crockett also had two other rifles with him on his Texas journey. He sold these two rifles to cover travel expenses. He also had to sell his silver, engraved pocket watch, which was later returned to his widow.

The where-a-bouts of these two firles is unknown

I hope this information will prove useful to you.

If you will discard the revisionists history books about David Crockett, and read the books by those who have done real research about the man, you will find that Congressman/Colonel Crockett was a good and decent man. He went to Texas only because Andrew Jackson, deliberately destroyed him professionally, politically, and personally. Jackson was a person who harbored grudges against anybody who opposed him. Congressman Crockett was no exception.

Texas was the only viable option left to the Colonel to start a new life. Jackson made sure there was no place in the US for David Crockett to start over

Best regards,

John L. Hinnant

"God and Texas"




 
shortbow 
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shortbow
10-23-11 01:13 AM - Post#1058930    

    In response to John L. Hinnant

Well, on top of what Jackson did to the Cherokees and other Eastern tribes, you've given me one more reason to hold - shall we say - rather negative feelings toward this man.

 
John L. Hinnant 
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10-23-11 08:41 AM - Post#1059001    

    In response to John L. Hinnant

Good Morning All,

I need to correct a typo concerning the 1835 David Crockett Presentation rifle. The rifle caliber is 50, NOT 59.

The 50 caliber has always caused me to wonder and speculate about the Colonels thoughts. None of his known rifles are larger than 45 caliber. He had the opportunity to visit with the Philedelphia gunsmith who made the rifle before the rifle was made. He had input on some personal preferences for the rifle. Had the Congressman heard about the need for a larger caliber for the bigger game animals in the West? Was he perhaps thinking that if Texas did not work out as planned, he might try his hand at professional hunting/trapping, and need a larger caliber?

And one last comment about the rifle, the barrel underrib carries three ramrod thimbles, not the usual two.

So much for my thoughts.

With respect to All,

John L. Hinnant

"God and Texas"

 
Maven 
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10-28-11 03:48 PM - Post#1061048    

    In response to John L. Hinnant

All, There is a new book about Crockett, "David Crockett: The Lion of the West" by Michael Wallis (W.W. Norton & Co, New York, 2011). It portrays the man (David not "Davy") rather than the myth or Disney's vision of him.

 
John L. Hinnant 
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10-29-11 01:20 PM - Post#1061306    

    In response to Maven

Good Morning Maven,

Another very good book about about David Crockett was published by my friend William (Bill) Groneman, year before last. The is titled, THE GENTLEMAN FROM THE CANE. He also has written other books about the real man David Crockett.

Bill is a retired EMSer from New York City, now living in Texas and will soon have a new book out about his EMS experiences on 911.

Bill is always a good read.

FYI; once a year on the March 6 anniversay of the Fall of the Alamo, there is a huge gathering of Alamo "lorist" in San Antonio. Men and Women from all over the world attend this affair.

If you have a like interest, youall come on down and join us. There are no strangers.

My respects to all,

John L. Hinnant

"God and Texas"

 
2571 
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10-30-11 07:16 PM - Post#1061713    

    In response to John L. Hinnant

"It portrays the man (David not "Davy") rather than the myth or Disney's vision of him. "

Asked if the King Arthur stories were real, Churchill replied, "It is all true; or it ought to be. And more and better, besides"

 
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