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kjb 
Pilgrim
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kjb
02-28-11 10:26 PM - Post#965657    


I'm going to hunt with a flintlock next muzzleloader season. Traditions manuals say that the rifle will shoot most accurate with a 50-70 grains of powder, but I'm worried that I will not get the velocity to make an effective shot on a deer. I'd like to use 100 grains. Will this really make my shot less accurate? I don't have the rifle yet, but I will have it soon. I just wondered what some of your thoughts were.

 
sc45-70 
45 Cal.
Posts: 572
02-28-11 10:32 PM - Post#965658    

    In response to kjb

What caliber is your rifle?
Are you using a patched round ball?
What range do you expect to shoot?


 
kjb 
Pilgrim
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kjb
02-28-11 10:34 PM - Post#965659    

    In response to sc45-70

It's 50 cal. shooting patched round balls. I wasn't planning on shooting any farther than 50 yds.

 
sc45-70 
45 Cal.
Posts: 572
02-28-11 10:41 PM - Post#965661    

    In response to kjb

I've killed several deer (3 this season) with a 50 cal. flintlock loaded with 80 grains of 2f & a patched round ball. All have been less than 75 yards.
All 1 shot kills!

 
kjb 
Pilgrim
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kjb
02-28-11 10:46 PM - Post#965665    

    In response to sc45-70

That's good to know. I've heard some people use 3F in their 50 cal. but I chose to go with 2F. Hopefully I can get the same results that you have. I already hunt with a bow and rifle and I'm pretty excited to add traditional flintlock hunting into the mix.

 
sc45-70 
45 Cal.
Posts: 572
02-28-11 10:55 PM - Post#965668    

    In response to kjb


Just remember, shoot placement is more important than velosity! Find the most accurate load and practice, practice,practice!
Good luck and let us know how things go!

 
jerry huddleston 
54 Cal.
Posts: 1918
03-01-11 02:07 AM - Post#965698    

    In response to kjb

It's better to hit a deer in the head with a slow ball than to hit him in the foot with a fast one.
50 grains of ffg will kill him. 75 grs. is great

 
Mike Brooks 
Cannon
Posts: 6686
03-01-11 07:17 AM - Post#965721    

    In response to kjb

Deer are pretty easy to kill with a well placed shot. Shoot what ever charge that is most accurate. I have killed deer with a .45 and 45gr 3fff

 
luie b 
54 Cal.
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luie b
03-01-11 07:20 AM - Post#965722    

    In response to kjb

I shot my deer this year with 75 gr. 3fffg and it passed completely through the deer. These aren't magnum guns and you really shouldn't be using anything more than about 90 gr. in that gun. I shot 100 gr. in my traditions one time and it knocked the crap out of me . Needless to say my shots were all over the place.

 
Ghettogun 
62 Cal.
Posts: 2965
03-01-11 09:03 AM - Post#965762    

    In response to kjb

I have the traditions Hawken Woodsman in .50 cal. My standard load is 70 grains ffg with good accuracy out to 100 yards. About a 5" drop at 100 yards but fairly straight on at 25 and 50 yards. I found my highest accurate load to be 90 grains, anything over that is just ridiculous. 70 grains will do the job on Deer at up to 70 yards and is a comfortable load to shoot.My recommendation is for the 70-90 grn. range.

 
Ranger1759 
40 Cal.
Posts: 396
03-01-11 09:09 AM - Post#965764    

    In response to kjb

Do you plan on target shooting with this gun....like trial walks and the such? If so why not use the load you "practice" with.

To often I talk with people that shoot trail/gongs all summer and do will with the load they are using, only to increase that load during hunting season....make no sense to me

I hunt with the same load I use all summer...why change when I know exactly where I need to hold for the best performence...

I shoot a .50 L.E. Williams flinter and I load 60 grs of 3f under a patched .490 RB for target and hunting and out to 75 yards I've done great on deer, coyote, and targets....the way I see it, if I miss its operater error....not the gun

 
majg1234 
45 Cal.
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majg1234
03-01-11 12:49 PM - Post#965842    

    In response to Ranger1759

50 gr FFFg in a PRB 40cal resulted in a DRT deer for me this year shot @ 40yds and it was a high shoulder shot, passed through and was found about 10yrds out expanded a little to about 52 cal (it was a mixture of WW and pure lead)

 
Zonie 
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Zonie
03-01-11 12:57 PM - Post#965845    

    In response to kjb

Going to 90 or 100 grains of powder could easily ruin your guns accuracy.

When these hot loads are used with a patched ball they often will burn thru the patch, spoiling any chance of making an accurate shot.

Even if the powder load doesn't burn thru the patch the change in velocity can change the harmonics of the barrel which can also ruin accuracy.

As the others have said go with your most accurate load.
A .50 caliber roundball starts out as large or larger than most modern hunting bullets expand to and the roundball will expand when it hits the deer.
In other words, a .50 caliber roundball over a 70 grain powder load inside a 100 yard range will be more than enough to kill a deer with no problems.

The important thing is to hit the deer in a vital spot.
Just Jim...



 
Roundball 
Cannon
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Roundball
03-01-11 01:26 PM - Post#965857    

    In response to kjb

I've used 90grns Goex 3F for my deer hunting load in 28" & 32" caplock and Flintlock barrels for years...excellent accuracy and deadly on deer.

Oxyoke makes a little 1/8" over-powder pre-lubed wool wad to act as a firewall, improve the gas seal which improves accuracy, and introduces more lube into the bore. Patches are so perfect using a little firewall that they can be reused...and I have...with accuracy basically a single ragged hole at 50 yards.

So with accuracy not an issue, the added velocity makes for a flatter trajectory and more energy at distance, should a longer than normal shot present itself.
Roundball's ML Formula:
"Whompability...Across The Fields and In The Woods"


 
Dave K 
58 Cal.
Posts: 2474
03-01-11 02:13 PM - Post#965873    

    In response to kjb

My load in my 50 is 70gr. of 2F. The deer have never complained about it. My daughter and son in-law, use the same load and they got the same amount of non-complaints from the deer. All were taken with a 50 cal. gun. One with a CVA Mountain, one with a Lyman GPR and 3 with a Colerain barreled Beck.Some were taken at 15 ft. and a couple were taken at 75yds. +or -.

 
Ron T. 
40 Cal.
Posts: 290
03-01-11 05:18 PM - Post#965970    

    In response to kjb

A buddy of mine uses 50 grains of FFFg Swiss in his .50 caliber Hawken with a rpb to take his deer and has never "lost" any venison.

However, I have found that most of the guys use 60-80 grains of FFFg in their .50 caliber muzzle loaders for deer.

As others have advised, work up a load your rifle "likes"... one that is the most accurate and you're good-to-go.


Strength & Honor...

Ron T.

 
hanshi 
Cannon
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hanshi
03-01-11 06:06 PM - Post#966002    

    In response to kjb

Go with your most accurate load; it doesn't take great energy to kill a deer. Some states - Va. and Ga. for instance - have a minimum powder requirement of 50 grains and even that will take deer. A few years ago I killed a deer with my oldest .45 using 65 grains of 3f. The shot was at 75 yards and the ball went all the way through and was not recovered. The deer was recovered, however, just a few yards away.
Young guys should hang out with old guys; old guys know stuff.


 
ohio ramrod 
75 Cal.
Posts: 5776
03-01-11 06:11 PM - Post#966006    

    In response to kjb

For 50 yrds or less 50 grains of either FF or FFF will be deadly on deer. I would find out your most accurate lead at 50 grain or above and go with the most accurate!

 
Jon D 
40 Cal.
Posts: 367
Jon D
03-01-11 08:07 PM - Post#966084    

    In response to ohio ramrod

The load for my GPR flinter is 55 grs. 3F, .490 RB,.018" PT patch cut at the muzzle.
Same load for everything.
I've taken deer from just a few yards up to 125 paces. The ball always seems to be just under the skin on the off side of the critter.
Never had to track one.
Jon D


 
Stumpkiller 
Moderator
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Stumpkiller
03-01-11 09:09 PM - Post#966109    

    In response to Jon D

Play around with it. My .50 likes 85 gr of FFg and that's plenty for the local 200 lb whitetail. For 50 yards with a round ball I would have no worries about 70 gr.
"Don't take life too serious - it ain't nohow permanent."


 
sc45-70 
45 Cal.
Posts: 572
03-01-11 09:44 PM - Post#966120    

    In response to kjb

FYI my 50 sighted at 75 yards with 80 gr. 2f is dead on at 25 yards with 50 gr. 2f.
Don't be afraid to try several differant loads at differant ranges.

 
Trench 
62 Cal.
Posts: 2989
Trench
03-02-11 12:51 AM - Post#966159    

    In response to kjb

I'll chime in here too. Find your most accurate load, and you'll have a deer gun that is good out to 75 or 80 yards easy. I started with a Traditions and took my first and only deer to date (grumble) with a .490 ball and 60gr of 2F. The shot was 40yds broadside and a complete pass- through.

I later went to a thicker patch and was able to get the charge up to 70gr of 2F and I could hold a 2in group at 75 yards with that. I hunted with that load until my .58 rifle arrived.

 
KHickam 
50 Cal.
Posts: 1323
03-02-11 09:24 AM - Post#966209    

    In response to Trench

My deer load in my 50 cal (49 really) is 120 grs FFFg a .015 pillow ticking patch and .480 rb. It works like a charm on deer - knocked a nice buck pretty much dead in his tracks (went maybe 6 ft)this year - didn't recover the ball - it did not pass through however.

 
Dan Phariss 
70 Cal.
Posts: 4622
Dan Phariss
03-02-11 11:23 AM - Post#966253    

    In response to kjb

  • kjb Said:
It's 50 cal. shooting patched round balls. I wasn't planning on shooting any farther than 50 yds.




Only testing will give the accuracy load.
It will shoot "minute of deer" with 75 gr of fff. But may like more. Or it might like ff.

With 75+ its killing deer to 100 is easy if you practice. Sight for 1" high at 100 with a heavy load, 90 fff has been a long time favorite of mine in 50s. Will not fall off a deer with a center hold to 120+

Dan

 
Dan Phariss 
70 Cal.
Posts: 4622
Dan Phariss
03-02-11 11:25 AM - Post#966256    

    In response to Mike Brooks

My sons first deer was a one shot kill at about 40 yards with a .45 with 45 gr of FFF.
Place the shot right = dead deer.

Dan

 
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