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Hogghead 
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12-23-10 10:25 PM - Post#932374    


I believe I posted this in the right forum. I am wondering about the term "Jager". I realize it means hunting in German. But how does it directly relate to MZ rifles. I have seen the term used with a couple of different styles of rifles. I have seen it used with the SMR, and the Eraly Virginia rifle. Does it mean something specifically to each model?? Or is it just a general term meaning a hunting rifle in that style?? Tom.

 
40 Flint 
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40 Flint
12-23-10 11:19 PM - Post#932384    

    In response to Hogghead

Jaeger is a specific style. Just as an English Sporting rifle or plains rifle (Hawken etc.). Generally very thick and sturdy, heavy of barrel and bore.

http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/partDetail.aspx?cat...



 
necchi 
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necchi
12-24-10 12:33 AM - Post#932403    

    In response to Hogghead

Flint 40 is correct, If you've seen the term Jaeger associated with a southrn mtn rifle or a viriginia, it would be my take that the person using that association is wrong. Perhaps to make a sale (?)
JohnT
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Hogghead 
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12-24-10 01:20 AM - Post#932410    

    In response to necchi

There is one listed on Gun Broker like that. That is why I asked this question. Thanks, Tom.

 
Mike Brooks 
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12-24-10 08:23 AM - Post#932478    

    In response to 40 Flint

  • 40 Flint Said:
Jaeger is a specific style. Just as an English Sporting rifle or plains rifle (Hawken etc.). Generally very thick and sturdy, heavy of barrel and bore.

http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/partDetail.aspx?cat...




That statement couldn't be farther from the truth, The barrels are light and big bored ,and they are no "thicker" than they need to be. Typical statement from someone that has never handled original German hunting rifles.

 
Birddog6 
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12-24-10 08:37 AM - Post#932483    

    In response to Hogghead

I think the term "Jaeger" when attached to the rifle in itself is not correct. If I understand it correctly, the term Jaeger pertains to the man carrying the rifle, not the firearm he carries.

I think later on it has then been named as a Jaeger rifle the Jaeger man carried. But from what a German historian has told me, the term Jaeger in German does not pertain to the rifle itself, but means Hunter..... in German & often referred to as a light infantryman or a rifleman. (also correct spelling is Jager with 2 dots over the "a", but I can't seem to do that on here. I don't know when the e came into the spelling)

Keith Lisle

 
saber 
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12-24-10 08:48 AM - Post#932487    

    In response to Hogghead

If you like Jaeger rifles the the book Jaeger Rifles by George Shumay is a good one with pic of german rifled barrel guns from the 1600-the 1850s you may have seen how some early long rifles had some german lines do mostly by being made by german imagrentgunmakers also some countrys in early Europe used rifled barrled and built guns from germany during the flintlock and cap lock time

 
Birddog6 
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12-24-10 09:33 AM - Post#932506    

    In response to saber

If you get a chance to see the Jaeger book that Jim Chambers sells, you will most likely never look at the Shumway book again.

The color photos of the Jaeger book Chambers sells has some top of the line photography & the best gun photos I have ever seen. And there are LOTS of them as the book is large, and over a inch thick. Just awesome looking artistic work in these rifles. The book is a little pricey, but worthy of the price (to me), and I have never regretted buying it. It is simply an superb display & a wonderful tribute to the German rifles. If you are into Jaeger rifles, it is the book to have......

Keith Lisle

 
tac 
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12-24-10 10:22 AM - Post#932531    

    In response to Birddog6

  • Birddog6 Said:
Hunter..... in German & often referred to as a light infantryman or a rifleman. (also correct spelling is Jager with 2 dots over the "a", but I can't seem to do that on here. I don't know when the e came into the spelling)

Keith Lisle




Keith - the letter 'a' with two dots over it is pronounced like the 'ay' in 'hay'. The mark is called an 'umlaut' in German, and can also be seen over the letters 'o' [makes it into a kind of 'er' sound], and 'u' [makes it into a kind of sound like the 'u' in flute pronounced with the lips near-closed.

The letter 'e' on the non-German version of 'Jaeger' makes it into a 'yay' sound. And BTW, the famous pilot Chuck Yeager, was originally from the Jaeger family - Anglicized to make it easy to spell in America.

Umlauted letters are not possible to make on the font available on this site, but you CAN make them on Word/symbol and copy them in - like this - Jäger, Hände, Führer, für, möbel, Österreich and so on.

tac
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saber 
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12-24-10 10:23 AM - Post#932532    

    In response to Birddog6

yes but AT 195.00 DOLLORS JUST TO MUCH

 
flehto 
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12-24-10 11:32 AM - Post#932555    

    In response to Birddog6

The corrct spelling as you said is jäger and this "ä" w/ the umlaut can be obtained thusly....hold down "Alt" and press the nos "0228" on the group of nos on the right side of the keyboard and then release "Alt". Other letters w/ umlauts or w/ a tilde {ñ in Spanish} can be obtained w/ various other nos. Often thought of building a jäger but really like the Am LRs from about 1760-1770 and slightly later.... Fred

 
Birddog6 
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12-24-10 03:08 PM - Post#932650    

    In response to tac

I paid $ 165. for mine when they first came out, and that was a big bite for me to pay that for a book.... but I knew if I didn't buy it then, I would never have one. I got it at Friendship & didn't have to pay any shipping as they brought it there for me to pick up.
Should be real interesting to see what they go for 15 years from now & them be out of print.

Thanks. I knew it was a umlaut but didn't know how to put it on the post.


Keith Lisle

 
hawk 2 
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hawk 2
12-26-10 09:54 AM - Post#933272    

    In response to Mike Brooks

  • Mike Brooks Said:
  • 40 Flint Said:
Jaeger is a specific style. Just as an English Sporting rifle or plains rifle (Hawken etc.). Generally very thick and sturdy, heavy of barrel and bore.

http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/partDetail.aspx?cat...




That statement couldn't be farther from the truth, The barrels are light and big bored ,and they are no "thicker" than they need to be. Typical statement from someone that has never handled original German hunting rifles.




Mike if I remember correctly weren't you working on getting a Jager Kit into production??

..if so hows it comming?

 
Mike Brooks 
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12-26-10 10:09 AM - Post#933282    

    In response to hawk 2

  • hawk 2 Said:
  • Mike Brooks Said:
  • 40 Flint Said:
Jaeger is a specific style. Just as an English Sporting rifle or plains rifle (Hawken etc.). Generally very thick and sturdy, heavy of barrel and bore.

http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/partDetail.aspx?cat...




That statement couldn't be farther from the truth, The barrels are light and big bored ,and they are no "thicker" than they need to be. Typical statement from someone that has never handled original German hunting rifles.




Mike if I remember correctly weren't you working on getting a Jager Kit into production??

..if so hows it comming?


My rescent move really put me behind, but I really ought to devote some time to get that kit rolling. All I need is about three days to knock out a pattern..... The barrel is in the wood and I have all the mounts on hand.

 
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