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hawken hunter 60 
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Posts: 432
07-13-10 07:44 PM - Post#877649    


I just read that some of you guys use 000 buckshot in your .36 cal front loaders. What is the actual diameter of 000 buck? What size patch do you use?

HH 60

 
Flint311 
54 Cal.
Posts: 1705
07-13-10 08:25 PM - Post#877664    

    In response to hawken hunter 60

Just Googled it and this is what came up on all sorts of sizes:

Size Type Weight Diameter
#TriBall(12 Ga.) Buck 20.41 g (315 gr.) 15.24 mm (0.60")
#0000 Buck 5.51 g (85 gr.) 9.40 mm (0.380")
#000 Buck 4.54 g (70 gr.) 9.14 mm (0.360")
#00 Buck 3.49 g (53.8 gr.) 8.38 mm (0.330")
#0 Buck 3.18 g (49 gr.) 8.13 mm (0.320")
#1 Buck 2.62 g (40.5 gr.) 7.62 mm (0.300")
#2 Buck 1.91 g (29.4 gr.) 6.86 mm (0.270")
#3 Buck 1.52 g (23.4 gr.) 6.35 mm (0.250")
#4 Buck 1.34 g (20.7 gr.) 6.09 mm (0.240")
#FF Buck 1.18 g (18.2 gr.) 5.84 mm (0.230")
#F (TTT) Buck 1.05 g (16.2 gr.) 5.59 mm (0.220")
#TT Buck 0.98 g (15.1 gr.) 5.33 mm (0.210")
#T Buck 0.89 g (13.7 gr.) 5.08 mm (0.200")
#BBB 0.66 g (10.2 gr.) 4.82 mm (0.190")
#BB 0.57 g (8.8 gr.) 4.57 mm (0.180")
#B 0.48 g (7.4 gr.) 4.32 mm (0.170")
2 3.76 mm (0.148")
4 3.28 mm (0.129")
5 3.05 mm (0.120")
6 2.77 mm (0.109")
7.5 2.39 mm (0.094")
8 2.26 mm (0.089")
8.5 2.16 mm (0.085")
9 2.01 mm (0.079")
12 1.3 mm (0.05")

As far as patch, you'll have to see what works... Hope this helps.

 
hawken hunter 60 
40 Cal.
Posts: 432
07-13-10 08:38 PM - Post#877671    

    In response to Flint311

Thanks for the info. Most ball diameters are .005 to .010 under bore size. but the 000 buck seems to be size for size for that caliber. I would think that would be a bit of a tight press with the patch included. It just seems to be a bit unorthodox.

HH 60

 
buzz 
45 Cal.
Posts: 693
07-13-10 09:36 PM - Post#877696    

    In response to hawken hunter 60

TOTW catalog says 000 shot is .350 that be ok with a patch 0 shot is .310
im no exspert just what i dug up


 
paulvallandigham 
Passed On
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paulvallandigham
07-13-10 11:45 PM - Post#877759    

    In response to Flint311

For bird shot, use the " rule of 17"{, ie. subtract the size Shot from the number 17, and you get its diameter in hundredths of an inch.}

#1 shot[not shown on your chart] is .16"
#2 shot = .15"
#3 shot = .14"
#4 shot = .13"
#5 shot = .12"
#6 shot = .11"
#7 shot = .10"
#7 1/2 shot = .095"
#8 Shot = .09"
#9 shot = .08"
#12 shot = .05"

For a frame of reference, most notebook paper measures .002 to .003".

You don't SEE "B" Shot for sale much, here. The rest of the sizes on your chart are correct, altho some 000 buckshot will be .350", instead of .360". You also don't see #2 buck and rarely see #3 buck shot sold in the USA these days. 0 buck is also a "Special Order" item for the most part.

Good post. Paul



Edited by paulvallandigham on 07-13-10 11:53 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Roy 
70 Cal.
Posts: 4763
Roy
07-14-10 04:18 AM - Post#877784    

    In response to hawken hunter 60

The Hornady 000 buck I have here is .350


 
RocklockI 
32 Cal.
Posts: 35
07-14-10 10:33 AM - Post#877841    

    In response to Roy

A buddy just ordered 5lbs of 000 Hornady for my blunderbuss .

It works just fine in my .36 rifle .350" dia .
Gary

 
Zoar 
50 Cal.
Posts: 1143
07-14-10 03:23 PM - Post#877952    

    In response to RocklockI

Rock--what bore is your blunderbuss? and can you post pics and description of it?

 
40 Flint 
54 Cal.
Posts: 1527
40 Flint
07-14-10 03:53 PM - Post#877960    

    In response to Zoar

I've seen two different scales or charts.

000 buck = .360 and .3503
0 buck = .320 and .310.

The 0 Buck I have for son's (now grandson's) .32 is .310.

TC

 
ozark57 
45 Cal.
Posts: 821
ozark57
07-14-10 04:16 PM - Post#877971    

    In response to 40 Flint

Hornady is swaged .350. I have a cap and a flinter in .36. Excellent in both. Cheap shooting!


 
Swampy 
Cannon
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Swampy
07-14-10 04:46 PM - Post#877989    

    In response to ozark57

I have a bunch of Hornady 000 at .350 I'll be trying tomorrow morning along with some softer hand cast .350's.


 
marmotslayer 
70 Cal.
Posts: 4487
07-14-10 06:01 PM - Post#878011    

    In response to Swampy

I have Hornady 000 and Hornady swaged .350 balls. They both load and shoot exactly the same. I'm not so sure the 000 is harder than pure lead balls.

 
Swampy 
Cannon
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Swampy
07-14-10 06:46 PM - Post#878037    

    In response to marmotslayer

I maybe wrong but was told the 000 was slightly harder lead. I have both, will try them both at the range tomorrow.


 
flintlock62 
70 Cal.
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flintlock62
07-14-10 08:19 PM - Post#878062    

    In response to Swampy

000 buck is slightly harder than pure lead, but why would one think expansion is necesary for tree rats or bushy tails?

My Hornady 000 measures .350.

 
Swampy 
Cannon
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Swampy
07-14-10 08:31 PM - Post#878068    

    In response to flintlock62

  • flintlock62 Said:
000 buck is slightly harder than pure lead, but why would one think expansion is necesary for tree rats or bushy tails?

My Hornady 000 measures .350.



I'm not worried about that at all. All I'm worried about is accuracy and I'll find out tomorrow how my rifle likes them.


 
hawken hunter 60 
40 Cal.
Posts: 432
07-14-10 08:48 PM - Post#878075    

    In response to Roy

  • Roy Said:
The Hornady 000 buck I have here is .350




That makes more sense. The actual diameter is about .010 under bore size and would give clearance for the patch. Now I know why some shooters like to use 000 buck, or a size of shot that will work in their gun.

Thanks

HH 60

 
marmotslayer 
70 Cal.
Posts: 4487
07-14-10 09:56 PM - Post#878108    

    In response to flintlock62

  • Quote:
000 buck is slightly harder than pure lead, but why would one think expansion is necesary for tree rats or bushy tails?





I would be more concerned with shooting charachteristics. The softer the better, you know.

As regards this 000 being slightley harder, I have never seen any documentation to that effect. While smaller shot is generally harder, not sure why they would make the 000 harder. Costs more to harden it.

I mixed my hornady .350 ml balls into the same box as the 000. They were so much the same that it seemed like a good idea.

Swampy, if you have both, how about putting them up against each other in a vice and squeezing them down to see which one gets the flattest. That would be the softer one.

 
Swampy 
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Swampy
07-14-10 10:10 PM - Post#878114    

    In response to marmotslayer

  • marmotslayer Said:
  • Quote:
000 buck is slightly harder than pure lead, but why would one think expansion is necesary for tree rats or bushy tails?





I would be more concerned with shooting charachteristics. The softer the better, you know.

As regards this 000 being slightley harder, I have never seen any documentation to that effect. While smaller shot is generally harder, not sure why they would make the 000 harder. Costs more to harden it.

I mixed my hornady .350 ml balls into the same box as the 000. They were so much the same that it seemed like a good idea.

Swampy, if you have both, how about putting them up against each other in a vice and squeezing them down to see which one gets the flattest. That would be the softer one.



Actually I only have about 20 hornadays and 20 RC molded for me to try in my gun just to see if that was what I was going to use. I just haven't been able to get to the range until now do to health issues. So I hate to ruin any that I do have atm. Now, as for hardness I can see them using a different lead with alloys, if that is the case, remember they didn't make 000 buck with the thought of it being used for muzzleloaders, they make it for shotgun loads. On the other hand, it would not surprise me at all if it was pure lead. But a quick talk to Hornaday would clear this all up I'm sure.

I plan on shooting targets with using 5 of each tomorrow and see if there is a difference.


 
Swampy 
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Swampy
07-15-10 11:12 AM - Post#878216    

    In response to Swampy

I just got back from taking my little gal out for her first dance. I decided to start off with 35gr of 3F and just have some fun at 25 yards. The first 5 shots from a bench were with Hornady 000 and .016 bear greased patch. I swabbed with a damp then a dry patch between shots and it was so humid, made sure the pan and flint were wiped every shot. I was a little concerned at the ease of loading and may do better with a tighter patch, which I'll try next time. But the 000 shot into just over a 2" group at the top of the paper about 4 or 5" above where I was aiming.

I was surprised my next 5 shots were RC's molded balls with a sprue and they shot the same 4 or 5" high except all went into a tighter group. Just under an inch and a half.

There was a member there and he says to me, "I am impressed, I didn't know those Flintlocks shot so fast, I expected a delay but damn there sure ain't no delay. Sounds like it goes right off..."

My Rich Pierce flint sparked everytime.

So I then decided to use 5 more of RC's balls and shot a target off hand I'll be sending Jethro shortly.

Really nothing scientific here, I think both balls may benifit from a tighter, probably pillow ticking at .018 patch. I guess I'll try that before filing the rear site down but I did like the ease in loading for something thats just surposed to be a fun gun anyway, and fun was definately how to describe today.


 
marmotslayer 
70 Cal.
Posts: 4487
07-15-10 06:21 PM - Post#878369    

    In response to Swampy

Quite a diff in grp size, but then again it's a small sample. Would be nice to compare 20 shot groups! Easy for me to say!

 
Swampy 
Cannon
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Swampy
07-15-10 06:43 PM - Post#878376    

    In response to marmotslayer

Yeah I wouldn't use this as a good example. As I said the first 5 shots from this gun was Hornadays and the second 5 home made, It could be I was just getting settled in shooting it. If I had time I would have shot another 5 Hornadays but cleaning the gun after each shot for 15 shots and messing with another gun, 3 hours goes by fast. They did hit about the same place height wise as the home made ones though. I will try both again with a thicker patch and see what happens next time I go.


 
buzz 
45 Cal.
Posts: 693
07-15-10 08:33 PM - Post#878430    

    In response to Swampy

swampy who cares about scientific
sounds to me they are a close match
and will be worth some smoke time
cant wait to take my new 36 cal out for her first dance
bob

Edited by buzz on 07-15-10 08:34 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
ozark57 
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Posts: 821
ozark57
07-16-10 08:24 AM - Post#878539    

    In response to Swampy

  • Swampy Said:
I just got back from taking my little gal out for her first dance. I decided to start off with 35gr of 3F and just have some fun at 25 yards. The first 5 shots from a bench were with Hornady 000 and .016 bear greased patch. I swabbed with a damp then a dry patch between shots and it was so humid, made sure the pan and flint were wiped every shot. I was a little concerned at the ease of loading and may do better with a tighter patch, which I'll try next time. But the 000 shot into just over a 2" group at the top of the paper about 4 or 5" above where I was aiming.

I was surprised my next 5 shots were RC's molded balls with a sprue and they shot the same 4 or 5" high except all went into a tighter group. Just under an inch and a half.

There was a member there and he says to me, "I am impressed, I didn't know those Flintlocks shot so fast, I expected a delay but damn there sure ain't no delay. Sounds like it goes right off..."

My Rich Pierce flint sparked everytime.

So I then decided to use 5 more of RC's balls and shot a target off hand I'll be sending Jethro shortly.

Really nothing scientific here, I think both balls may benifit from a tighter, probably pillow ticking at .018 patch. I guess I'll try that before filing the rear site down but I did like the ease in loading for something thats just surposed to be a fun gun anyway, and fun was definately how to describe today.


I shoot .36's more than anything else. I would try backing off to 28gr.FFFg and see what you get. This will drop your POI some and may be a little more accurate.


 
flintlock62 
70 Cal.
Posts: 4233
flintlock62
07-16-10 09:04 AM - Post#878548    

    In response to ozark57

  • ozark57 Said:
  • Swampy Said:
I just got back from taking my little gal out for her first dance. I decided to start off with 35gr of 3F and just have some fun at 25 yards. The first 5 shots from a bench were with Hornady 000 and .016 bear greased patch. I swabbed with a damp then a dry patch between shots and it was so humid, made sure the pan and flint were wiped every shot. I was a little concerned at the ease of loading and may do better with a tighter patch, which I'll try next time. But the 000 shot into just over a 2" group at the top of the paper about 4 or 5" above where I was aiming.

I was surprised my next 5 shots were RC's molded balls with a sprue and they shot the same 4 or 5" high except all went into a tighter group. Just under an inch and a half.

There was a member there and he says to me, "I am impressed, I didn't know those Flintlocks shot so fast, I expected a delay but damn there sure ain't no delay. Sounds like it goes right off..."

My Rich Pierce flint sparked everytime.

So I then decided to use 5 more of RC's balls and shot a target off hand I'll be sending Jethro shortly.

Really nothing scientific here, I think both balls may benifit from a tighter, probably pillow ticking at .018 patch. I guess I'll try that before filing the rear site down but I did like the ease in loading for something thats just surposed to be a fun gun anyway, and fun was definately how to describe today.


I shoot .36's more than anything else. I would try backing off to 28gr.FFFg and see what you get. This will drop your POI some and may be a little more accurate.



There are a few other factors, too. It partly depends on what brand of powder. I use 24 gr. Swiss in a 40" H&H barrel with a Ballistol or cutting oil (dry) ticking patch. Windex swab every five shots. I have found no difference in accuracy between 000 buck and Speer swaged (softer) balls. I have never used roll-your-own balls, so I can't say what differnce that would make. I target between 25 and 50 yards, my average distance for tree rats.

Edited by flintlock62 on 07-16-10 09:11 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Swampy 
Cannon
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Swampy
07-16-10 11:21 AM - Post#878607    

    In response to flintlock62

I was going to use Swiss in this gun and still may as I found a can of 3F Swiss. But I decided to just take the Graff 3F I use in most everything else. The barrel is a Flintlock Const. Custom 34" Tapered barrel. It was consitantly high and group size very well could have been my fault as it was hard to find the exact aiming point everytime, my fault I should have had an orange sticker or something better to see than just a line drawn with a pen. I didn't think I would have a problem at 25 yards but I did more than I thought.

I was thinking of taking the Swiss next time and seeing what starting with 20 gr's and a .018 patch will do.


 
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