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bkovire 
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bkovire
02-03-10 11:02 AM - Post#818071    


looking for the cleaner resp, found the moose milk, but not the the one's for getting the crud out of the brl. for the newbe's, moose milk is a lube,home made, and it works.

 
paulvallandigham 
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paulvallandigham
02-03-10 01:18 PM - Post#818119    

    In response to bkovire

Its called " Soap and Water"! Really.

I am not kidding you. Soap and water will clean out the residue of black powder just fine.

You may need to use a bore brush if you are shooting those Substitute Powders, and since they are smokeless powders.

You may have to use a modern gun solvent to dissolve some of the crud they produce.

If you shoot bare conicals, you will probably need to use a lead solvent, like Hoppe's #9, or Shooter's Choice, to remove the lead.

If you are using those plastic "shoes" around a bullet, then Shooter's Choice, or acetone, will remove the plastic from the bore.

But, if you are shooting a PRB in front of Black Powder, the bore will clean up just fine with plain old, Soap and water. I have used my liquid dish soap and tap water to clean my barrels for more than 30 years. I dampen a cleaning patch, or two( for a tighter fit) with water, then rub in some liquid detergent, and run the patch down the barrel while it sits in a bucket of water. I pump the rod up and down, to bring the water through the vent hole, or flash channel for the nipple, into the bore, and then push the dirty water back out of the barrel into the bucket. The bucket water is changed a couple of times, while I prepare another soap and water cleaning patch. I try to feel for crud using this technique, and will go to a bore brush if I have crud that does not seem to be dissolving in the water quickly enough. I also put a cleaning patch, damp, with soap on it, in front of my bore brush when cleaning my fowler( smoothbore). The bristles of the brush will work on a rifled barrel to get down into the corners of the grooves. In a smoothbore, they poke through the patch to hold it to the brush, and together they give the bore a good scrubbing.

While I own them, I have never had to use a bore scraper( breech plug face) to clean that plug face on any of my guns. The movement of the water in and out of the vent hole, and the water dissolving any caked on crud has always done the job for me.

Don't over complicate the cleaning part. No special cleaning formula needed, thank you.

Edited by paulvallandigham on 02-03-10 01:20 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
bkovire 
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bkovire
02-03-10 01:26 PM - Post#818122    

    In response to paulvallandigham

thank you, i was just trying to get some extra crud out of the brl, heated up the hot water heater, poured some murphy down, pumped it a few times, clan as can be.

 
Ranger1759 
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02-03-10 05:45 PM - Post#818201    

    In response to bkovire

The first few pours down the barrel are a 50/50 mix of rubbing alcohal and peroxide, this disolves instantly any and all blackpowder fouling( it also works great on the hands after a day of shooting) after the mix comes out clear, you'll now the difference, swab out with a few cleaning patches. the next few pours are hot water, just to clean the barrel, as the mix will "dry out" the barrel if left inside, as before a few cleaning patches to dry, and then oil... I use this method at re-enactments and rendezvous its quick and after a day of fireing blanks it removes all fouling, I also use the mix on the outside of the gun too, although, you don't have the same fouling outside your gun as would a flinter would....still works around the nipple area.


 
R.M. 
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R.M.
02-03-10 08:10 PM - Post#818275    

    In response to bkovire

Windshield-washer fluid works well.

 
Micanopy 
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Micanopy
02-03-10 08:23 PM - Post#818289    

    In response to bkovire

1/2 cup murphys wood oil soap
1/2 cup peroxyde
1/2 cup rubbing alcohol.

But if ya aint got that use the best thing goin and thats warm water and soap.........
amazin aint it.

 
Ranger1759 
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02-03-10 08:46 PM - Post#818301    

    In response to Micanopy

I dropped the murphy's from my mix....makes it to thick and sticky... takes more to get rid of the soap residue inside the barrel then with just alcohal and peroxide...

 
reddog 
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02-03-10 08:55 PM - Post#818308    

    In response to R.M.

Ya know,,for range cleanup, that Ballistol and water mixed about 5-1 really works, and doesn't eat the barrel! Makes a great patch lube for the range too!

 
GoodCheer 
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GoodCheer
02-03-10 09:02 PM - Post#818310    

    In response to Ranger1759

Use spit until I get home. Then I use whatever it was I mixed up last time. Use soap (not detergent) and water when I'm finished shooting.
My better 2/3's loves these guys. Real soap, no garbage chemical additives, keeps my bore smelling sweet, ok I'll stop.

http://www.calbenpuresoap.com/

 
reddog 
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02-03-10 09:21 PM - Post#818320    

    In response to GoodCheer

About ten years ago, one of my friends came up with some kind of modern, whiz-bang, fix everything but a broken heart, and a limp *** bore cleaner and preservative. The instructions directed the user to "liberally annoint the bore". Well, his bore rusted, after that, I couldn't help but ask him
"Have you annointed your bore today?"

 
bkovire 
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bkovire
02-03-10 11:47 PM - Post#818357    

    In response to Micanopy

thank you that is the mix is was looking for, could'nt remember the other two, preox and ach.

 
ohio ramrod 
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02-04-10 02:05 PM - Post#818507    

    In response to bkovire

In the last fifty years I have tried them all (well almost all ) and still go back to hot water with whatever soap is within reach. Why? Simple, because disolving the fouling isn't enough, if you don't get it flushed out it will resoldify. Water is cheap and plentiful to flush out the fouling once it is disolved.

 
Va.Manuf.06 
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02-04-10 02:46 PM - Post#818533    

    In response to bkovire

Plain and simple..... water. All of the other "cleaners" are 99% water with extras added.

As far as hydrogen peroxide? No offense, but do a search of the forum to see why you do not want to put that in your barrel.

 
Micanopy 
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Micanopy
02-04-10 06:51 PM - Post#818623    

    In response to Va.Manuf.06

I've used it many times in 46 years of cleaning muzzleloaders and have not had a problem with it. It aint muratic acid, its peroxyde. What pray tell is it supposed to due to steel?

 
ohio ramrod 
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02-04-10 10:11 PM - Post#818745    

    In response to Micanopy

Peroxide is suposed to oxidise (rust ) the steel. I know several people who have used it for many years with out problems.In theroy it will rust the steel faster than water since it has more oxygen disolved in it than regular water, which has some, or else fish could not breath.

 
bob243 
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02-05-10 09:25 AM - Post#818876    

    In response to ohio ramrod

Run a couple dry flannels down the bore after you use this mix

Im using 2 parts 90% Alc, 2 parts peroxide, 1 part Murphys

Also I would suggest being careful not to get it on your stock finish

Edited by bob243 on 02-05-10 09:27 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Trot 
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02-05-10 11:25 AM - Post#818921    

    In response to Va.Manuf.06

  • Va.Manuf.06 Said:
Plain and simple..... water. All of the other "cleaners" are 99% water with extras added.

As far as hydrogen peroxide? No offense, but do a search of the forum to see why you do not want to put that in your barrel.


I agree, I remember getting the advice years ago: water and if it makes you feel better, add a little dish soap. I don't bother with the dish soap but I suppose it may depend on what you use for patch lube. I use Ballistol so plain old water works great, and couldn't be easier.

 
Dixie Flinter 
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Dixie Flinter
02-07-10 06:40 PM - Post#820077    

    In response to Micanopy

  • Micanopy Said:
1/2 cup murphys wood oil soap
1/2 cup peroxyde
1/2 cup rubbing alcohol.

But if ya aint got that use the best thing goin and thats warm water and soap.........
amazin aint it.



Used to use that "secret formula"...worked darn good for cleaning EXCEPT it has been known to promote rust AND don't get any on your stock!! Now use Ballistol/water mixture to clean and straight Ballistol after bore is dryed.

 
zrifleman 
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02-07-10 11:25 PM - Post#820194    

    In response to Va.Manuf.06

I have used the three part solvent with peroxide on BPCR's and muzzleloaders, with many thousands of rounds fired. It has never hurt the metal finish either inside the bore or outside. I have a friend who went away from it to a commercial BP bore cleaner and etched his barrel. I have heard this old rag about peroxide damaging or rusting barrels many times over with nothing to support it, just heresay. The peroxide solution in drug stores is only 3% (what should be used) the rest is water.

 
1601phill 
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02-08-10 03:53 AM - Post#820222    

    In response to zrifleman

Warm to hot water & dish washing liquid,soap & water,thats all there is to it.

Edited by 1601phill on 02-08-10 03:54 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
jbtusa 
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jbtusa
02-08-10 09:26 AM - Post#820301    

    In response to bkovire

Instead of all of the hassle of mixing your own moose milk, the guys have been going to the dollar store and getting any of the Fantastik type of spray cleaners. The cheapo's seem to work every bit as good as traditional moose milk, for $1.00. I'm going to try it when my supply of homebrewed mooser runs out.

 
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