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buzz 
45 Cal.
Posts: 693
11-25-09 10:22 PM - Post#787043    


anyone know of the history of the flintlock fower style rifle i been searching for some history or info on them
I just bought a 54 cal flint fowler and i was told it was biult by a well-known builder Greg Christensen anyone know anything about this fellow

Edited by buzz on 11-25-09 10:23 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
paulvallandigham 
Passed On
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paulvallandigham
11-26-09 12:56 AM - Post#787081    

    In response to buzz

A fowler is a SMOOTHBORE, Buzz, Not a rifle. Fowlers often come with Rear sights, so they can be used LIKE A RIFLE to shoot PRBs, but they remain a SMOOTHBORE. Tom Grinslade's Book, " Flintlock Fowlers: The First Guns Made in America from 1700-1820 was published in 2005By Scurlock Publishing co. Its the best reference book in print today on ORIGINAL Fowlers.

As to a modern builder, I hope someone else can help you. I do not recognize the name. Track of the Wolf sells a lot of guns on consignment for builders, and they would be one source I would call to see if they recognize the name. The other would be Dick Greensides, at Pecatonica, because he sells pre-carved stocks, and stock blanks to builders all over the country. Dick might just know the man you speak about, and can give you information about how to contact him.

I hope this helps.

 
Keb 
45 Cal.
Posts: 980
Keb
11-26-09 03:42 AM - Post#787091    

    In response to buzz

There was a fowler just offered on this site and gunbroker for sale made by a G. Christensen. That's the only Greg Christensen gun I've ever seen or heard of. Of course, I've made over 40 guns and nobody has ever heard of me either.

 
hawk 2 
54 Cal.
Posts: 1559
hawk 2
11-26-09 07:20 AM - Post#787129    

    In response to buzz

is barrel rifled?

he sells his stuff on other forums .



Edited by hawk 2 on 11-26-09 07:25 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
tg 
Cannon
Posts: 10776
11-26-09 07:39 AM - Post#787136    

    In response to buzz

I have often heard of a rifle styled smoothbore or what we call a smoothbore but have not heard of a fowler styled rifle,is it a fowler that has had rilfeing cut into the barel? I can see the advantage of having a grip rail,rear sights and cheek piece on a rifle stock and a smoothbore for better aiming and dual purpose but I do not see the advantage of rifleing a fowler which usually has no grip rail, chek piece or rear sight to aid in aiming maybe someone else will have some info and exampoles of such a gun in an original.Some builders offer a rifle barrel in their various smoothbores but I have seen nothing to suggest that the were originaly done this way.
The smoke's blown out the vent till there is no more,then a charge of powder I pour, patch&ball go down the bore, shoulder the gun and fire some more


Edited by tg on 11-26-09 07:46 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Anonymous 
11-26-09 07:56 AM - Post#787141    

    In response to buzz

Buzz,
I can't help you with your builder but re the "smoothbore rifle"; There are fowlers and there are rifles, each a breed unto themselves. There are smoothbores that are made on the lines of a rifle, both with and without sights. This is what we refer to as a smooth rifle. A fowler is a gun designed to shoot primarily shot but will handle PRB with some degree of accuracy. They could better be described as the fore runners of todays shotgun. To put one next to the other you could clearly see the difference in style and architecture.
Mark

 
buzz 
45 Cal.
Posts: 693
11-26-09 11:00 AM - Post#787191    

    In response to Papa

sorry gents it is a fowler not a rilfe my mistake
barrel is smooth bore only has front site
yes this is the gun that was offered here a week or so i saw it on gunbroker
I was going to do a TVM fowler kit but costs would been about the same

 
tg 
Cannon
Posts: 10776
11-26-09 12:19 PM - Post#787224    

    In response to buzz

Sounds like you have found a pretty nice gun, I have heard a lot of good things about the TVM guns, I suspect you will find yourself enjoying the time you spend with your new addition to the family.
The smoke's blown out the vent till there is no more,then a charge of powder I pour, patch&ball go down the bore, shoulder the gun and fire some more


 
Keb 
45 Cal.
Posts: 980
Keb
11-26-09 01:25 PM - Post#787243    

    In response to buzz

  • buzz Said:
sorry gents it is a fowler not a rilfe my mistake
barrel is smooth bore only has front site
yes this is the gun that was offered here a week or so i saw it on gunbroker
I was going to do a TVM fowler kit but costs would been about the same


I remember that gun. It was a 28 ga. fowler with a wormy stock. In fact, I had it bought on this site, had an agreed upon price & everything but I didn't know it was offered for auction on gunbroker. Apparently you made a better deal on the gun than I did. It would have been nice to know it was up for auction. You would not own it now if I would have known it was offered in more than 1 place. Needless to say, I was a little peeved about that deal. I guess I will ask the seller if he/she has something listed in more than one place from now on.

 
Tsegoweleh 
40 Cal.
Posts: 115
11-26-09 03:31 PM - Post#787280    

    In response to Keb

osayo,
My primary gun is a "fowler" smoothbore.
It had a rear sight on it. I couldent hit the side of a tent from inside. Once I removed the rear sight, it now is pretty relaible shooter.

 
Swampy 
Cannon
Posts: 15602
Swampy
11-26-09 03:44 PM - Post#787283    

    In response to Keb

  • Keb Said:
  • buzz Said:
sorry gents it is a fowler not a rilfe my mistake
barrel is smooth bore only has front site
yes this is the gun that was offered here a week or so i saw it on gunbroker
I was going to do a TVM fowler kit but costs would been about the same


I remember that gun. It was a 28 ga. fowler with a wormy stock. In fact, I had it bought on this site, had an agreed upon price & everything but I didn't know it was offered for auction on gunbroker. Apparently you made a better deal on the gun than I did. It would have been nice to know it was up for auction. You would not own it now if I would have known it was offered in more than 1 place. Needless to say, I was a little peeved about that deal. I guess I will ask the seller if he/she has something listed in more than one place from now on.



Are you saying you contacted the seller here offering to buy it at it's asking price and got no response from him?


 
Keb 
45 Cal.
Posts: 980
Keb
11-26-09 04:30 PM - Post#787301    

    In response to Swampy

  • Swampy Said:

Are you saying you contacted the seller here offering to buy it at it's asking price and got no response from him?


No. I am saying I made an offer. He countered. I agreed to his counter offer & asked where to send the funds. Later in the day he told me he had bids on it on gunbroker and couldn't end the auction now that he was getting bids. It sold for his Buy It Now price. I'm saying I didn't know he was also dealing the gun on another site and didn't tell me until after it was sold.

 
Swampy 
Cannon
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Swampy
11-26-09 04:44 PM - Post#787307    

    In response to Keb

  • Keb Said:
  • Swampy Said:

Are you saying you contacted the seller here offering to buy it at it's asking price and got no response from him?


No. I am saying I made an offer. He countered. I agreed to his counter offer & asked where to send the funds. Later in the day he told me he had bids on it on gunbroker and couldn't end the auction now that he was getting bids. It sold for his Buy It Now price. I'm saying I didn't know he was also dealing the gun on another site and didn't tell me until after it was sold.



Ok, understood.


 
RickD 
54 Cal.
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RickD
11-26-09 04:49 PM - Post#787308    

    In response to Swampy

Somehow that seems like a raw deal to me..I`d be peeved also


 
Keb 
45 Cal.
Posts: 980
Keb
11-26-09 05:46 PM - Post#787322    

    In response to RickD

I was peeved when it happened but I'm over it. There are a lot of guns out there. I hope buzz enjoys it and I also hope to shoot against him some day.

 
buzz 
45 Cal.
Posts: 693
11-26-09 10:06 PM - Post#787408    

    In response to Keb

Yeah just so all knows I and Keb chatted a lot today and i even offered the gun to him at the price i paid just to be fair I to not realy happy as to how this all went down
I to contacted the seller on muzzleloader and never got a word back but did not put two and two together until i spoken tothe seller on gun broker
I was unaware of any offer besides mine on his buy it now price
Im a little peeved now as well as a seller if i have an offer i see it though befor i move to the next offer or listing else were i to have a gun for sale here now and was thinking of relisting it at gun broker as i have had no offers onit here but will cancel my ad here befor doing so
I have to say selling via the itnernet is far faster then any other type of selling but if a deals onthe talbe 24 hours to wait on an offer is fair enouf
To all i hope this wont sour anyone from buying or selling via the internet

 
buzz 
45 Cal.
Posts: 693
11-26-09 10:56 PM - Post#787420    

    In response to buzz

Folks cant believe this one i located the biulder of the gun i just bought hes either in it for the money only or i cought him on a bad day but after asking him if he biult this gun here is his email back to me
Hi
I don't care to talk with you about the fowler. What do you want to know.
Greg
makes one feel good about ones interest in his work
biulders name is greg chistian
after all this i probly sell this one and never fire it
I restored old cars and other antique machinery'
usualy get an email from a new owner im proud to discuss my work so they feel betterthink i go back to buy kits from vendors rather then deal with this anymore


 
buzz 
45 Cal.
Posts: 693
11-27-09 12:08 AM - Post#787439    

    In response to buzz

folks got a second email
he did answer some of my questions on it
barrel was made by jackie brown
and treh lock and other furnature came fro jack gardner
anyone who of these gents and the quality of there work or products
I did thank greg for his time and info
and will no longer bother him
I will do my own inspection once its here
thanks all for listening to my tales of my fowler


 
Tommy Bruce 
50 Cal.
Posts: 1128
11-27-09 07:57 AM - Post#787490    

    In response to buzz

Unless he's changed, I'm betting Greg was having a bad day. I've bought 3 guns from him although it's 4 or 5 years ago. Very reasonably priced, and he was a real gentleman to due business with. The guns were plain with no carving, and he usually put's a cheek peice on his fowlers so they look more like a smooth rifle. Wood to metal fit and finish was good too. It will be a servicable shooter for you. Aside from all that, still no excuse for the rude e-mail. Chalk it to a bad experience and enjoy the gun anyways.

 
Le Grand 
45 Cal.
Posts: 647
11-27-09 10:16 AM - Post#787517    

    In response to Tommy Bruce

It sounds to me like Greg was making a joke. Of course he'd talk about it...

 
PaulN/KS 
58 Cal.
Posts: 2490
11-27-09 10:30 AM - Post#787519    

    In response to buzz

I bought one of Greg's fowlers about 2 or 3 years ago and found him to be easy to talk to and deal with... Good gun and reasonable price too.

You might have caught him on a bad day...also, he may not be an e-mail kind of guy...

 
buzz 
45 Cal.
Posts: 693
11-27-09 11:43 AM - Post#787533    

    In response to PaulN/KS

My second email from greg was much nicer and i think he thought i was going to realy bother him babout a gun he made but i reply to the first one i sent stating i jsut loking for inof on it and was not trying to bother him for any other reason he did sned me the info i requested
So like you all i figure i may caught him on a bad day
thanks all i feeling a little better about it after the stuff that happened at the sale and then getting this hars email i was getting unesy feelings
thanks folks for the assureances

 
Many Klatch 
69 Cal.
Posts: 3251
Many Klatch
11-28-09 07:37 AM - Post#787753    

    In response to buzz

Both those parts suppliers are good people. Sounds like you have a good quality gun.

Many Klatch

 
tg 
Cannon
Posts: 10776
12-01-09 04:26 PM - Post#789022    

    In response to buzz

"So like you all i figure i may caught him on a bad day"

I think he needs to rethink the way he is selling guns on the internet, that setup had a bad smell to it.
The smoke's blown out the vent till there is no more,then a charge of powder I pour, patch&ball go down the bore, shoulder the gun and fire some more


 
buzz 
45 Cal.
Posts: 693
12-01-09 09:30 PM - Post#789176    

    In response to tg

TG there are so many sides on this first off and seller and i made a deal and he closed his auction and then there were offers when the gun was listed o nthis site that never got responded to then a sour emial asking info from the biulder
but inthe end all seems to work out and most seem to be ok we the pieces ended up
the rifle itself is nice piece except for some worm damage that was not hidden but should been filled better
the biulder has done a 180 in response to my questions and the other guy here who made offers hasxfound another rifle he says he is jsut as happyw ith so thing int he end seem to settle ok but yes things like this make for sour grapes at times
buzz

 
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