MercerLake said::v I have a .62 with a 1:144" twist and always thought the accuracy fell off below about 150 grains, until I switched from using a .610 ball with a thin patch to a .600 ball with a .015" patch. Seems to be shooting as well as I can see or hold at 100yds with 70-80 grains, FFg or FFFg doesn't seem to make a difference. So my feeling is that it isn't so much a matter of twist as getting a better seal with the thicker patch. Another plus is less powder and less recoil with about nearly the same velocity. :v
doulos said:Are these guns with very slow twist rates 1-104 or 1-92 only accurate with very heavy charges?
MercerLake said::v My conclusion was reached by looking at my chronograph, "nearly the same velocity" was within 100-200fps between the two combinations of ball and patch. The .610" ball and .005" thin patch actually burned patches more at 150 grs than at 175grs, from this I would conclude that there was more gas blowby due to less obturation with the lower load. However, with the .600" ball and .015" patch I have not had a problem with burnt patches with 70-175grs.
Now before anyone would wonder why any fool would shoot 175 gr loads, well first off it was and is still recomended by the builder. However, my point is that it is not necessarily a good thing, more is not always better! In this case with this rifle there is less blowby with the thicker patch, so pressure is higher and velocity is higher.
So now I load between 70 grs for general shooting and 100 grs for hunting. This rifle has taken an elk,couple of bear,and several deer. Never have recovered a ball, complete pass-thru.
The original question was regards possible loss of accuracy with lower loads in rifles with slower twists. To this I would say, it depends. :grin: On having a load that minimizes blow-by and obtains consistant velocity and rotation of the ball, plus pointing it at the same place shot to shot.
I apologize for the long post but I meant to clarify my point. :v in a 1000 words or less.
Dan Phariss said:doulos said:Are these guns with very slow twist rates 1-104 or 1-92 only accurate with very heavy charges?
This would require testing with the individual rifle.
Frankly I see little reason for twists slower than 80-90 inches. I have 16 bore with an 80" twist that will shoot all the powder I can stand and not hurt the patch.
Forsythe only used 5 drams in his 14 bore (69 cal) which is a 137.5 grains. He preferred a twist of 8"6" IIRC and said one in 120 would shoot well enough at ranges to 150 yards.
I am shooting 150 from the 16 but the velocity gain starts to drop off at about 120 with a 30" barrel.
A friend has a 14 bore with a 72 twist that will shot 160-180 grains with no problems and good accuracy.
Regardless of the historical ideas I do not think there is a great velocity gain in the slower twist.
A heavy ball with a fast twist 30" or even faster was common in the percussion era English guns, will not allow enough powder to produce good velocity according to Forythe and others. Twists slower than 70" seem to shoot all the powder needed.
Dan
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