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dukewellington 
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dukewellington
09-27-08 01:03 PM - Post#617072    


What does aim small miss small mean. I live in the UK so I have never heard it before, but I keep hearing you guys using it.

Learning the language

 
Swampy 
Cannon
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Swampy
09-27-08 01:13 PM - Post#617075    

    In response to dukewellington

It means to pick out a particular point on a target and focus on that. For example if aiming at a man, pick a button on his coat and aim at that instead of just aiming at his silhouette.


 
nw_hunter 
45 Cal.
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09-27-08 01:20 PM - Post#617079    

    In response to Swampy

I bet that's how the Bulls Eye came to be
In my case it should be the Bull's Bu - -. I need all the help I can get!

Edited by nw_hunter on 09-27-08 01:22 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
RC 
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RC
09-27-08 01:20 PM - Post#617080    

    In response to Swampy

like when ya hit ALL the hard targets and miss the easy huge ones....too much target to aim at...
Anybody Seen AMERICA Lately?


 
Huntin Dawg 
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Huntin Dawg
09-27-08 01:41 PM - Post#617089    

    In response to dukewellington

Just like Swamp Rat said.

HD
Skin that one Pilgrim and I'll get you another!!


 
justmike 
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09-27-08 01:57 PM - Post#617096    

    In response to dukewellington

I live in the UK too and it means aiming at a specific point as opposed to a target generaly. So for instance if you were fireing at a 50 yd target, instead of aiming at the black area generaly aim either for the 9 ring only or put a playing card in the middle of the target and aim for that. I've often put up a 100 yd target at 50 yds and used that as practice. Aim in a small area - hit in a small area. Its good advice.

 
paulvallandigham 
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paulvallandigham
09-27-08 02:50 PM - Post#617116    

    In response to dukewellington

When shooting at distances, it also means focusing on the center of your front sight, and placing that on that very small aiming point to make the ball hit your POA. If you focus on the whole front sight, instead, you are equally likely to miss the target at longer ranges. There is a target shooter's magazine called, " Front Sight " that got its name from this principle.

 
horner75 
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horner75
09-27-08 03:01 PM - Post#617120    

    In response to dukewellington

Never heard of the saying before Mel Gibson said it in the "Patriot" movie.

Did engrave it on one of my powder horns awhile back!...Sound advise though!

Rick
"Getting something handmade from a friend, is getting a part of that person's life"!

"NO BULL!....JUST HORNS"


 
Zonie 
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Zonie
09-27-08 07:38 PM - Post#617232    

    In response to horner75

I guess Aim Small, Miss Small is simply the opposite of Aim Big, Miss Big.
Just Jim...



 
Evil Dog 
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Evil Dog
09-27-08 08:27 PM - Post#617249    

    In response to Zonie

Aim? I usually point in the general direction and pull the trigger to send a load of #7 1/2 shot headed thatta way.

 
hawk 2 
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hawk 2
09-28-08 01:49 PM - Post#617459    

    In response to Evil Dog

Zonie it's like the man said when shooting little targets at a distance...
"it not that they're hard to hit....just real easy to miss!"



 
dukewellington 
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dukewellington
09-28-08 04:28 PM - Post#617508    

    In response to hawk 2

I first heard it on the patriot too.

 
Stumpkiller 
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Stumpkiller
09-28-08 11:20 PM - Post#617679    

    In response to dukewellington

Ditto. Never heard it before "The Patriot". With iron sights you aim where you aim, there's not large or small to it, but you still have to pick a spot on a neutral background (that is, a large expanse of unmarked deer hair). With something like a traditional bow or shotgun you have to focus on a spot. I try to visualize a dime sized spot on the target butt or deer's side where I want to hit.

In archery, you don't aim for the gold. You aim for the center of the gold. Same principle, I guess. Not sure Hollywood ever showed us much usefull shooting tips before: hold your pistol sideways so the ejected rounds are more likely to "stovepipe" jamb and you can't see the sights, hold the rifle at your hip, blast away with 37 shots from a six shot revolver, etc.

Don't lose sleep over "aim small, miss small."
"Don't take life too serious - it ain't nohow permanent."


 
Jack Aubrey 
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09-29-08 12:02 AM - Post#617688    

    In response to dukewellington

The phrase was coined by Mark A. Baker,author of the books "Sons of a Trackless Forest" and "A Pilgrims Journey".He is a regular in " Muzzleloader", a very good magazine dedicated to traditional muzzleloading.Mr.Baker was featured in the History Channels' show "Boone and Crockett,Hunter heroes" as Davy Crockett and served as a historical adviser to Daniel Day-Lewis during the filming of "Last of the Mohicans" in 1992.It was during his service as historical adviser to Mel Gibson during the filming of "The Patriot"that he coined the phrase "Aim small,miss small" while teaching Mr.Gibson how to shoot flintlocks.Mr.Gibson liked the saying and said he was going to incorporate it into the movie,the rest is history,as it were.The meaning Mr.Baker was trying to convey has been previously and correctly mentioned. Best regards,J.A.

 
paulvallandigham 
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paulvallandigham
09-29-08 09:04 AM - Post#617755    

    In response to Jack Aubrey

Thanks,Jack. Now, that is a piece of movie Trivia that the Hollywood crowd would love to know!

If someone is going to introduce a concept concerning shooting via Hollywood, at least its nice to know it comes from a source that actually knows something about shooting muzzleloaders!!

The line in the Movie, " The Patriot", got more comments here than any other line from the picture. And, several people asked me if that is how to shoot MLers! ( That is the way to shoot any gun!) So, people were paying attention!

 
Ghettogun 
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09-29-08 11:01 AM - Post#617806    

    In response to nw_hunter

I prefer "the broad side of a barn"

 
runningbadger 
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runningbadger
09-29-08 04:01 PM - Post#617917    

    In response to Jack Aubrey

It may have been "coined" by Mark Baker, but it is the same principal that my father taught me as a 12 year old. He told me to find a small spot on the target you are aiming at and shoot that and only that spot.

 
dukewellington 
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dukewellington
09-29-08 04:26 PM - Post#617924    

    In response to runningbadger

Mel Gibson taught it to me

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XbtA0TIyoI8

 
Wattsy 
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Wattsy
09-30-08 09:03 AM - Post#618162    

    In response to dukewellington

  • dukewellington Said:
What does aim small miss small mean. I live in the UK so I have never heard it before, but I keep hearing you guys using it.

Learning the language




I learned while archery hunting in my youth...Pick a hair to shoot at, If you miss it by two or three hairs you still have a dead animal.

 
Semisane 
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09-30-08 12:51 PM - Post#618245    

    In response to dukewellington

I've found it works a lot better than "close eyes, pull trigger".

 
Mike2005 
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Mike2005
10-01-08 08:18 AM - Post#618503    

    In response to Semisane

  • Semisane Said:
I've found it works a lot better than "close eyes, pull trigger".



That's where you're screwing up. It should be "Close eyes, jerk trigger". It compensates for the eyes being closed.



 
Rancocas 
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Posts: 551
10-01-08 08:36 AM - Post#618509    

    In response to Jack Aubrey

  • Jack Aubrey Said:
The phrase was coined by Mark A. Baker,author of the books "Sons of a Trackless Forest" and "A Pilgrims Journey".He is a regular in " Muzzleloader", a very good magazine dedicated to traditional muzzleloading.Mr.Baker was featured in the History Channels' show "Boone and Crockett,Hunter heroes" as Davy Crockett and served as a historical adviser to Daniel Day-Lewis during the filming of "Last of the Mohicans" in 1992.It was during his service as historical adviser to Mel Gibson during the filming of "The Patriot"that he coined the phrase "Aim small,miss small" while teaching Mr.Gibson how to shoot flintlocks.Mr.Gibson liked the saying and said he was going to incorporate it into the movie,the rest is history,as it were.The meaning Mr.Baker was trying to convey has been previously and correctly mentioned. Best regards,J.A.



Right.
Personally, I think it is just a cutesy little expression that I don't care much for.

 
Russ T Frizzen 
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10-01-08 03:13 PM - Post#618618    

    In response to Rancocas

It's one of those clever sayings that, when examined a little bit, don't make any sense at all--at least to me. Sounds good in a Hollywood sort of way I suppose.
I would like one of those long range pistols Tavington used to make those one handed two hundred yard shots at moving targets, though. The ones with the endless supply of ramrods. Now that's a handgun!

 
mark/wi 
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10-01-08 07:36 PM - Post#618739    

    In response to Russ T Frizzen

I was also impressed with that. Everyone should have a pistol set up like that. Mark

 
Capt. Jas. 
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10-02-08 04:50 AM - Post#618836    

    In response to Evil Dog

  • Evil Dog Said:
Aim? I usually point in the general direction and pull the trigger to send a load of #7 1/2 shot headed thatta way.



Agreed on the aiming part for shot. "Look small, miss small" could be used though. More moving targets will be hit when not just looking at the whole target but staring hard at a beak, glint of light, or some small characteristic.


 
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