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Russian Bullmoose Man 
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04-12-07 10:23 AM - Post#396897    


My wife is finally enjoying going with me to Rondezvous these past few years and I had her made a Old Spain (Colonial) Spanish style dress. She loves it and is going with that style. This is also her persona that she wants to portray. Since Spanish Colonial has been around over 200 years in the new world before the English came. Plus the southern states were heavy influenced in Spanish traditions, From Florida to California. I was wondering if there is a good site on clothing/styles/ and the look of Spanish women's clothing. Not the Mexican/Indian/Spanish look of today. But the real COLONIAL SPANISH PEOPLE. Any help would be great.

 
Anonymous 
04-12-07 12:01 PM - Post#396932    

    In response to Russian Bullmoose Man

Not sure about websites but one of the Books of Buckskinning series has a good article on Spanish clothing of the SW during the fur trade era......

 
Desert Rat 
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04-12-07 01:09 PM - Post#396960    

    In response to Gray Wolf

That's going to be a tall order, I would try looking at the styles being worn in Spain at the time of your interest to start. I'm not sure where to recommend looking but I bet them fine Spanish ladies brought over trunks full of their finery. Then maybe accent or accesorize (sic?) with some scarves and reboza's of the southwest.

 
PaulN/KS 
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04-12-07 01:44 PM - Post#396975    

    In response to Desert Rat

There is an excellent book available through Sutter's Fort that shows many of the styles worn by the ladies there in the early 1800's.Not primarily Spanish but I believe it had some examples.(I'm at work so can't check...sorry)
That might help you out.i do recall that the New England traders that went round the Horn to California brought clothes for trade to the Ranchero ladies.

 
Desert Rat 
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04-12-07 01:47 PM - Post#396976    

    In response to Desert Rat

After a quick search I didn't find anything worth showing that was noted as an actual Spanish item but from some quick skimming it sees that the French fashions were all the rage across Europe. If your lady was affluent enough she probably would of had some Frenchy dresses. Hope that helps some.

PS I googled
- 18th Century fashions and got some hits on European stuff.

 
Anonymous 
04-12-07 11:41 PM - Post#397220    

    In response to Russian Bullmoose Man

There's also an article in the back issues of the Museum of the Fur Trade quarterly entitled 'Southwestern Frontiersman's Clothing' by Charlie Hanson. Covers NM fashion from late 1700's to 1850's. Not real in depth, but there are some citations in it you'd probably be interested in. Look on the Furtrade.org page.

Also, the article Chuck mentioned is in BOB IV by Cathy Bauman.

Two more... For the caballeros, not the damas, try to find a copy of Jose Cisneros' Riders Across the Centuries. Its out of print, but copies turn up now and again. Drawings and paintings of horsemen on the borderlands from the 1600's to early 1900's. There's also some water colors of presidial soldados done by Lino Sanchez y Tapia in Berlandier's Indians of Texas in 1830.

Sean

Edited by Sean on 04-12-07 11:53 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Anonymous 
04-12-07 11:54 PM - Post#397225    

    In response to PaulN/KS

Paul,

Please post that citation when you can.

Sean

 
PaulN/KS 
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04-13-07 03:58 PM - Post#397454    

    In response to Sean

Sean,
I'll dig out the book when I get home tonight and try to post from home.If the wife is working I'll get it on tomorrow when I get to work.
If you can get a copy of Richard Henry Dana's Two Years before the mast you can read his impressions of the locals when he arrived in California on one of those trading ships.
best regards,
Paul

Edited by PaulN/KS on 04-13-07 04:02 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
PaulN/KS 
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04-14-07 01:34 PM - Post#397782    

    In response to PaulN/KS

Sean,
The book is the Sutter's Fort State Historic Park Costume Manual.Written and illustrated by David W, Rickman.I think you can order a copy from the Sutter's Fort store,we got ours last year while visiting the fort.Hope this helps.
Paul

 
Anonymous 
04-14-07 01:57 PM - Post#397788    

    In response to PaulN/KS

Gracias, senor.

Sean

 
PaulN/KS 
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04-14-07 03:07 PM - Post#397803    

    In response to Sean

Denada Amigo

 
twobirds 
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twobirds
04-14-07 10:46 PM - Post#397914    

    In response to Russian Bullmoose Man

Might I offer a couple more suggestions?

Are you familiar with the 18th century Spanish castas paintings? Some are posted at http://www.college.emory.edu/culpeper/BAKEWELL/thinksheets/castas.html. The colonial Spanish seemed rather obsessed with proper ethnic classification into "castes". In Mexico, paintings of people of the various racial mixes was a popular subject of art. The great thing about the castas paintings is that they depict all levels of colonial society, not just nobility. They would not be considered politically correct by todays standards, but that, too, has merit, as the paintings reflect the contemporary society's (or at least the artist's) preferences and prejudices. A google search may turn up more paintings.

Another source to pick and choose through would be http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Soldados/. A search of previous posts often turn up nuggets of great information, and a lot of speculation. David Rickman, referred to in another post, often posts on the soldados website.


 
twobirds 
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04-15-07 08:30 AM - Post#397997    

    In response to Russian Bullmoose Man

Oh, and a source for the ever-present reboza...http://www.texassutler.com

 
Russian Bullmoose Man 
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04-16-07 09:18 PM - Post#398582    

    In response to twobirds

Thanks guys, good stuff, I had to search items instead of clothing, such as mantilla lace or veils, peinta spanish comb, this is only way I found things, Thanks so much for the information and looking for more.

 
Anonymous 
04-17-07 09:21 PM - Post#398979    

    In response to twobirds

TB--great links

Jeff--I'll try to remember to e-mail you that tomorrow.

Sean

 
benvenuto 
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05-15-07 08:31 AM - Post#407917    

    In response to Russian Bullmoose Man

Spanish fashion was the same as French in the 18th century, perhaps a little less fashionable and more conservative (partly due to a stricter form of religion). Any good book on Spanish painting will have lots for you to think about. I am not thinking of the court portraits of the super rich, but rather the "picaresque" school of painting which captured the dress of normal folk, and especially Goyas pastoral paintings. I just found the follwing spanish site on miltary uniforms which is pretty neat:
Alabarda uniformology page


 
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