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Login Name Post: Recomendations, squirrel rifle.        (Topic#198795)
Anonymous 
10-26-06 10:55 AM - Post#323175    

    In response to JPerryE

As I have pointed out before, check your local game laws before using larger caliber rifles on small game--some restrict their use. For example, here in La the .40 is an outlaw caliber--not legal in either small or large game seasons! It is also overkill on squirrels, but each to his own, as my old Pa used to say....My very accurate .40 hangs on the mantle most of the time, although I could use it for targets. To me the .32 is the ideal squirrel rifle--the equivalent of the .22LR to .22Mag depending on loads. The .36 is Ok and better for larger small game, but I sold mine off and do not miss it. The .38 is touted by some but has limited availability. When you get into the .40s you approach deer rifles and overkill for squirrels...

 
hornhead 
36 Cal.
Posts: 97
10-26-06 11:48 AM - Post#323190    

    In response to Mike Roberts

white bear: that's interesting re the tooth pick at the front of poor boys . i have a trade rifle so i may do it there.
m.r.: i totally agree with your statements re 36 & small to "large" small game. also comparing to a 22 mag is correct IMHO up to 100 yards, which is pretty much at my level of comfort.
i had a 32 and found wind moved it around. i also chase jack rabbits with my 36 and it gets windy on the prairies.
but for squirrels? as you say ...32 is better (IMHO).. and you can also shoot a 32 buckshot which makes it very inexpensive to shoot.

 
Anonymous 
10-26-06 02:14 PM - Post#323245    

    In response to Mike Roberts

For those of us fortunate enough to live in Missouri, we aren't restricted on what calibers we can use on small game. The only restrictions are during deer and turkey season. If you are a landowner hunting on your own land even then there are no restrictions.

Vic

 
DrTimBoone 
40 Cal.
Posts: 386
DrTimBoone
10-26-06 04:17 PM - Post#323301    

    In response to whitebear

Doug, I have never heard of using a dowel (toothpick) to reinforce the forestock near the muzzle. That sounds like a really clever idea. I have been a little worried about my fowler not having a nose cap to help protect this vulnerable area from splitting.

Edited by DrTimBoone on 10-26-06 04:17 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Russ T Frizzen 
70 Cal.
Posts: 4762
10-26-06 05:32 PM - Post#323332    

    In response to DrTimBoone

Several of my guns do not have nose caps and have never split. They're at least thirty years old and well used.

 
Olie 
40 Cal.
Posts: 350
10-26-06 08:42 PM - Post#323418    

    In response to WV_Hillbilly

WV Hillbilly:

The twist is 1 turn in 48. Ed said that the twist was better than a faster twist as a good loads were not as hard to get. With a faster twist (1 in 36) the loads had to be very exact not so with the slower twist.

I have just started to shoot it and am using #3 buckshot (.250). I think that Ed reams his 25's to .256 bore dia. I was using .019 thick patching material with I think mutton tallow or maybe bear grease, not sure. The slower twist will take a little more powder that a faster twist.

Olie

 
Olie 
40 Cal.
Posts: 350
10-26-06 09:05 PM - Post#323427    

    In response to WV_Hillbilly

WV Hillbilly;

I think that Ed rifling is even lands and grooves with round bottom rifling. This is what I call a hole in a hole (bore dia.is one hole and the groove dia. is the other hole). The barrel is a 3/4 x 40 inch long barrel. 42 inch long barrels are too long.

I am just working up a load so cann't say just how much powder to use.

I don't remember the cost of the barrel but I think around $120-130. Ed also makes a 30 caliber barrel (1turn in 48) 3/4 x 42 that should be a good shooter. I have one for my next project. I am going to use .300 buck shot in it when I get it done.

Olie

 
Anonymous 
10-26-06 10:56 PM - Post#323482    

    In response to stacks

  • stacks Said:
I'm not familiar with the term "Poor-boy", I've only built a kit gun, .50 CVA Hawken, how can a guy go about this endeavor?


Stacks, ya already have a rifle for tree rats. Use yer .50 Hawkens and bark them lil' varmints. No blood and they fall to the ground dead as if ya shot their heads off.


 
paulvallandigham 
Passed On
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paulvallandigham
10-27-06 02:28 AM - Post#323521    

    In response to Cooner54

I agree with Cooner, stacks. Use that .50. just reduce your load to about 30 grains, and sight it for 25 yds. Then shoot it at shorter distances to learn where to hold at various ranges, and to learn to estimate those close ranges. Barking means what it sounds. You shoot the tree limb under the squirrels head, so that a strip of bark it kicked up and smacks the squirrel under the chin, killing it by concussion, and knocking it out of the tree. As long as you make sure of your back ground and keep the powder charge low, you don't have to worry about your ball traveling half a mile and coming down on someone's head.

 
CrackStock 
69 Cal.
Posts: 3015
10-27-06 05:22 PM - Post#323759    

    In response to paulvallandigham

Nah, the ole trooper needs some new toys!

I like .36 cal rifles or 20 gauge flintlock smoothbores. I know that you mentioned not being interesed in scatterguns, but ML smoothbores are a whole new game and allow you to hunt anything. You might consider them.

As to poor boys, these are very plain guns designed and intended for maximum accuracy with minimum cost. They are perfect for the no frills hunter/shooter.

One of our fellow members has a good site:
http://www.midiowa.com/toadhallrifleshop/southern_album.htm

I like simple guns, but I always go for a buttplate. I just cannot go for the plain wood.

CS

PS, As of today, I also have 21 years.


 
Kopfjaeger 
40 Cal.
Posts: 368
Kopfjaeger
10-21-12 11:05 AM - Post#1204080    

    In response to stacks

I have two flintlock squirrel rifles a .32 and a .40 caliber. Both are full stock, iron furniture, with 42 inch barrels. I love hunting with both of them. Hunting with modern guns lost its zeal with me about twenty-three years ago.

Now I only hunt with flintlocks and traditional archery.

In Pennsylvania you can use any caliber for small game, but the round ball has to be .44 to hunt big game.

Edited by Frank Ciletti on 10-21-12 11:12 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
GWM 
32 Cal.
Posts: 23
10-25-12 07:46 PM - Post#1205780    

    In response to Kopfjaeger

Pennsylvania does have a caliber restriction for small game hunting. Page 21 of the hunting digest. " Muzzleloading rifles & handguns .40caliber or less."

 
Billnpatti 
Cannon
Posts: 7272
Billnpatti
10-25-12 08:24 PM - Post#1205788    

    In response to stacks

Take a look at this:

http://www.sittingfoxmuzzleloaders.com/k/K44%20Southern%20Mo...

If the whole url doesn't show up, just go to www.sittingfoxmuzzleloaders.com and look at their southern mountain poorboy rifle kits

 
Dean2 
45 Cal.
Posts: 710
10-26-12 07:40 AM - Post#1205878    

    In response to Billnpatti

Sitting Fox makes some nice looking stuff at very reasonable prices. They even look pretty PC in the pictures. Are they as correct up close and are they as well built on the finished ones as they appear to be? Also, any experience with their Siler flints, I am thinking I may get a finished left hand from them.

 
Kopfjaeger 
40 Cal.
Posts: 368
Kopfjaeger
08-28-13 06:15 PM - Post#1308652    

    In response to GWM

  • GWM Said:
Pennsylvania does have a caliber restriction for small game hunting. Page 21 of the hunting digest. " Muzzleloading rifles & handguns .40caliber or less."



GWM, Thanks for letting me know about .40 caliber or less for small game. I'll have to look it up.


 
Kopfjaeger 
40 Cal.
Posts: 368
Kopfjaeger
10-26-13 10:18 AM - Post#1324940    

    In response to Kopfjaeger

Bought another .32 caliber squirrel rifle. I bought a Dixie Tennessee Squirrel Rifle ( flintlock ). Though not a custom rifle like my .32 caliber Southern Flintlock Rifle it shoots great. I had one of these rifles back in the 80's but sold it which was a mistake. I always wanted to get another one so after a long search I was contacted by Paul Bigham who said a buddy of his had one for sale. I called Paul's buddy and bought the rifle. When I got the rifle I couldn't believe the shape it was in, it looked like it just came out of the box. I won't make the mistake of selling it again.

 
kaintuck 
54 Cal.
Posts: 1811
kaintuck
10-30-13 09:04 AM - Post#1326305    

    In response to stacks

32's and 36's make nice long thin rifles....southern rifles with plain iron funiture look really good haging on the wall too~especially if they are cherry stocked!

I say build yourself one....

 
DLJ6 
32 Cal.
Posts: 9
10-30-13 10:09 AM - Post#1326324    

    In response to kaintuck

It may take a long while but I am pondering trying my hand on a kit for a squirrel rifle. Small cal. as in less than .40 seem to be a bit hard to come by these days.

 
Billnpatti 
Cannon
Posts: 7272
Billnpatti
10-30-13 02:12 PM - Post#1326373    

    In response to stacks

I am not sure if you want to build a gun or buy one ready to go. If you want a ready to go gun, I think one of the T/C .32 Cherokee rifles would serve you well. T/C doesn't make them any more but they can be found for sale on the forum from time to time and on other gun websites. If you want to build from a kit, much would depend on your skill level and your pocketbook. Jim Chambers and TVM make high quality kits but you are going to be paying in the neighborhood of $1,000 for a kit. Chambers smallest bore is .40 and it is a special order. TVM has kits with bores down to .32. The parts are top of the line so you can end up with an heirloom quality rifle if you have the time and skill to finish it. For a good bit less money, you can buy from Sitting Fox http://www.sittingfoxmuzzleloaders.com/k/K46%20Tenn%20Poor%2... If you buy from them, I'd stick to kits. I have heard good and bad about their finished guns. It seems that they do not build the guns in house but farm them out to various builders of varying skill levels. Sometimes you will get a very nicely made rifle but other times, you may get one that was hastily made or made by a less skilled builder. it is a crap shoot. But, I have not heard anything bad about their kits. If you want to go with them, ask around before you buy. They are less expensive but they use Green Mountain barrels. I am not sure what to tell you about them since I have never bought a gun from them. I am just tossing the name out there for your consideration.

 
Irondog54 
40 Cal.
Posts: 213
Irondog54
10-30-13 07:32 PM - Post#1326472    

    In response to Billnpatti

I had my heart set on a 36 or 40 flinter long rifle. I then realized that in Wisconsin, it's not legal to hunt upland birds with a rifle; turkey season is longer now. On a bad squirrel day, the grouse, rabbits or turkeys might be nearby. I "settled" on a 54 caliber smoothbore on a Pennsylvania, iron mounted. It will be a kit from Sitting Fox. It also happens to be 28 gauge, so I will be ready for all manner of small game. And deer with round ball. It will likely take me till February to build her, but I think it'll be worth it.

 
flehto 
Cannon
Posts: 7687
10-31-13 10:29 PM - Post#1326834    

    In response to stacks

If'n I was getting a squirrel rifle it would be a .36 and if you're contemplating building a flinter parts set {kit}, a good choice would be an "A" weight swamped bbl X 42" lg. This size bbl would make a dandy LR w/ a decent sized wrist....built A Bucks County LR in .36 w/ that bbl and it's shown at TOW under Bucks County "kits". A L:ancaster style w/ the same bbl would be a little easier to make. Good luck w/ your quest......Fred



 
WadePatton 
40 Cal.
Posts: 140
11-01-13 10:55 AM - Post#1326930    

    In response to paulvallandigham

  • paulvallandigham Said:
... Barking means what it sounds. You shoot the tree limb under the squirrels head, so that a strip of bark it kicked up and smacks the squirrel under the chin, killing it by concussion, and knocking it out of the tree. As long as you make sure of your back ground and keep the powder charge low, you don't have to worry about your ball traveling half a mile and coming down on someone's head.


I'll be barking 'em with a 54 this year as it'll be the only one in service at the time. (40 is next on build list)


 
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