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Skagan 
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Skagan
08-29-06 08:55 PM - Post#300034    


I'm considering getting Panther's 7x7 oilcloth tarp and was wondering if anyone has any comments on it, a pic of one set up, etc. I have a fine 9x9 tarp from tentsmiths, and my 8x10 is still "under construction," but what I want is suitable protection from the rain, reasoning that more often than not i'll be laying up under the stars. I'm trying to pair down and wean myself from too much canvas.
any thoughts of the subject?

 
blacksmithshoppe 
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08-30-06 05:00 AM - Post#300124    

    In response to Skagan

  • Skagan Said:
I'm considering getting Panther's 7x7 oilcloth tarp and was wondering if anyone has any comments on it, a pic of one set up, I'm trying to pair down and wean myself from too much canvas.
any thoughts of the subject?

Bruce: I was thinking about this, why don't you grab one of your wives bed sheets and cut it to 7 x 7, should be big enough, and do a mock up? If she hollers at you blame it on the Poltergeist. I still think you should try some of that red dirt for a tint.
Jeff

Edited by blacksmithshoppe on 08-30-06 05:01 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Skagan 
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Skagan
08-30-06 06:33 AM - Post#300134    

    In response to blacksmithshoppe

  • blacksmithshoppe Said:
Bruce: I was thinking about this, why don't you grab one of your wives bed sheets and cut it to 7 x 7, should be big enough, and do a mock up? If she hollers at you blame it on the Poltergeist. I still think you should try some of that red dirt for a tint.
Jeff
might as well, she thinks I'm nuts already! whod o you think took the pics for my 8x10?
and about the pigment thing, I was at the sherwin williams store this weekend, and asked the proprietor about powdered pigment. he called it colorant, and said it's liquid and has been since has been in the business.



 
whiskey 
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08-30-06 12:21 PM - Post#300268    

    In response to Skagan

Get your natural earth pigmants from an art supply store, especially one that deals in pottery supplies. Concrete use to be colored with the natural stuff but now when I look in hardware stores it is usually some synthetic stuff.

 
blacksmithshoppe 
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08-30-06 12:44 PM - Post#300280    

    In response to Skagan

[Jeff
might as well, she thinks I'm nuts already! whod o you think took the pics for my 8x10?
and about the pigment thing, I was at the sherwin williams store this weekend, and asked the proprietor about powdered pigment. he called it colorant, and said it's liquid and has been since has been in the business.


Bruce:
The liquid stuff is what I have used and it will work fine. If they will do it you can get the powered stuff from the manufacture, but its getting the store to call the factory. The 8X10 looks good, is that what you brought to the walkabout?
Jeff



 
Skagan 
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Skagan
08-30-06 12:55 PM - Post#300283    

    In response to blacksmithshoppe

Yep, that's the tarp I wrapped up in, needless to say, it too was pretty well coated by the end of the weekend. it did come clean in the wash though. I set it up in the back yard after I got home to see how water-tight it was. . . it wssn't . that's when I decided to waterproof it. I originally was going to use Canvac, but decided I didn't want to spend that much. I then thought about thompson's, but finally decided that here'd be a good opportunity to experiment with a more period treatment since I'm not risking a huge investment. I'm not going to use pigment for a couple of reasons. 1st, I don't have any, and don't feel like hunting any up, and secondly, I want to see how the canvas reacts to just straight treatment, kind of reducing the variables so-to-speak.

 
djnye 
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08-30-06 01:08 PM - Post#300292    

    In response to Skagan

my 7'x7' weighs about 3 1/2 lbs. with a small groundcloth of the same stuff they are just about 4 lb. if you can't hide under a tarp that size there still might be some openings in the crocheting field. i hear they do that indoors.

take care, daniel

 
PuffInThePan 
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08-30-06 07:50 PM - Post#300454    

    In response to Skagan

Skagan,

For a couple years I have used a canvas tarp painted both sides with latex barn paint. At 6x9 it was a bit heavy because I went a little heavy on the paint, but I just cut it down to about 6x6 and it seems much more packable (although I have to hunker down pretty small to be completely covered).
Anyway I think the barn paint consisted of two main ingredients--linseed oil and red oxide. Since it is latex barn paint it is even non-toxic when dry. Reasonably period, yet I am not carrying around a big oily rag!
Good luck!

 
Skagan 
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Skagan
08-30-06 08:26 PM - Post#300466    

    In response to PuffInThePan

  • Quote:
yet I am not carrying around a big oily rag!
Good luck!

Good point PiP, my Sherwin Williams guy suggested I use acrylic, as it is flexible and will bend with the canvas. I'll be painting a tarp before long, for a ground cloth I imagine, so I was particularly interested in your post. I think painting was a common period canvas treatment. maybe not for large area coverage, but I'd say it would be good for a ground cloth, and like you, I'm not interested in wraping up in solvent-soaked covering!

 
Skagan 
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Skagan
08-31-06 02:40 PM - Post#300741    

    In response to djnye

  • djnye Said:
my 7'x7' weighs about 3 1/2 lbs. with a small groundcloth of the same stuff they are just about 4 lb. if you can't hide under a tarp that size there still might be some openings in the crocheting field. i hear they do that indoors.
take care, daniel

Thanks for the input Daniel
I wasn't going to respond to your post, as it's pretty well stated and I didn't think anything else needed saying. . . until now
your statment "if you can't hide under a tarp that size. . . " got me to thinking. I believe that we, as "modern men," over complicate our accessories. I got into the mindset that I couldn't be comfortable under a tarp less that 9x9; I completely forgot that the whole concept of "comfort" is relative anyway!
I think 7x7 is a perfect size for a trail tarp and will provide all the protection I'll need.
if I want a higher comfort level, say for an extended rendezvous, then I need to be looking at full tents.
so a 7x7 it is, end of discussion.

Edited by Skagan on 08-31-06 02:42 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Plumebleu 
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Plumebleu
08-31-06 03:23 PM - Post#300759    

    In response to PuffInThePan

  • Quote:
just cut it down to about 6x6 and it seems much more packable (although I have to hunker down pretty small to be completely covered).

That is because you are just a little guy though Bernie.
I still like my little piece of oil cloth though (about 60 inches by 90 inches), as long as the weather isn't real bad it works pretty well (and nobody has shot a carrot through it yet).

 
PuffInThePan 
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08-31-06 07:38 PM - Post#300846    

    In response to Plumebleu

Mr. Blue Feather,
Now that you graduated to a carrot-colored lodge, I think you should pass along that great, lightweight piece of oilskin to me. Then I could take it up and show Skagan what the good stuff looks like so we could have one more person in the unsuccessful hunt for the right material. If the rest of us could find that stuff, making an oilskin would become a thing of the past.

Good Day sir!

 
Plumebleu 
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Plumebleu
08-31-06 10:58 PM - Post#300913    

    In response to PuffInThePan


  • Quote:
Now that you graduated to a carrot-colored lodge, I think you should pass along that great, lightweight piece of oilskin to me.

Ahh Yes the Carrot covered tarp (Thanks to Tim and his Carrot shooting Cannon) and nice lightwieght oilcloth. I wish I could find a decent source for the stuff at a reasonable price. The 7X7 that Skagun was talking about is the same type of material. I'll keep an eye out (still) for a bit of the stuff for you.
A bit off topic...Are you headed down to Western Wayne this weekend? If you are I have a bit of slowmatch for you.

 
Skagan 
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Skagan
09-07-06 11:19 AM - Post#303579    

    In response to Skagan

Well, I made the order, it's the first tentage I've ordered from Panther (I'm a die-hard Tentsmiths guy).
I'm pumped about doing some fall trekking and period hunts with it.

 
PuffInThePan 
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09-10-06 06:04 PM - Post#304792    

    In response to Skagan

I am curious as to how light it really is. Maybe they will get two new customers!

 
Skagan 
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Skagan
09-10-06 07:00 PM - Post#304807    

    In response to PuffInThePan

  • PuffInThePan Said:
I am curious as to how light it really is. Maybe they will get two new customers!

I'll give a brief product review for ya when it comes in


 
Capn 
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Capn
09-11-06 10:00 AM - Post#305005    

    In response to Skagan

Here is something that might make things easier for those who want to paint their own canvass:

http://www.solventfreepaint.com/paint/iron_primer_linseed.htm#



 
Anonymous 
09-11-06 01:44 PM - Post#305115    

    In response to Capn

Come on Skagan, do you really expect us to believe that you can get all of you under a 7x7 tarp!!!

I'm just a little bitty guy and I have trouble under my 8x8 when any kind of weather hits. And I know you can't have any decient "rock houses" up there in Michigan!

Are you going to build a cabin and use that tarp for the little bitty roof?



Hey, do you remember building a shelter out of a poncho "back in the day"? What's a poncho, 5x7 or something like that?

 
Claude 
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Claude
09-11-06 05:00 PM - Post#305184    

    In response to Capn

  • Capn Said:
Here is something that might make things easier for those who want to paint their own canvass:

http://www.solventfreepaint.com/paint/iron_primer_linseed.htm#




Yikes! At $120 per gallon, I think I'll throw some pigment in a can of linseed oil instead.


 
Skagan 
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Skagan
09-11-06 09:41 PM - Post#305332    

    In response to ghost

Warning, Tirade follows

Ghost your attempt at impuning my tarppage cannot be allowed to stand, so here's a point by point rebuttal to your scurilous slanderfications!

  • Quote:
Come on Skagan, do you really expect us to believe that you can get all of you under a 7x7 tarp!!!
There's not only room for me to sleep, I plan on partitioning it off so I can have my rumpus room toward the back!

Here's an exterior shot of my camp:


and here's the interior:

Don't worry Ghost, once you get a little more experience under your belt, you too can maximize the space in a 7x7. Jealous, ain't ya?

  • Quote:
I'm just a little bitty guy and I have trouble under my 8x8 when any kind of weather hits. And I know you can't have any decient "rock houses" up there in Michigan!

we have plenty of "Rock houses" up here, check this out: Rock Mi.

  • Quote:
Are you going to build a cabin and use that tarp for the little bitty roof?

I don't need a cabin Mr. Smarty clout, I sleep between the drops!

  • Quote:
Hey, do you remember building a shelter out of a poncho "back in the day"? What's a poncho, 5x7 or something like that?
the best hooches I ever made were from my poncho
I learned a trick from my Guards bud since I've been out, and that's the unility of bungie cords for setting up a hooch wish I knew then. . .
whew, anyone got a ladder so's I can climb down off my soap box.
See what you went and made me do Mister!




 
Capn 
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09-12-06 06:28 PM - Post#305697    

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  • Claude Said:
  • Capn Said:
Here is something that might make things easier for those who want to paint their own canvass:

http://www.solventfreepaint.com/paint/iron_primer_linseed.htm#




Yikes! At $120 per gallon, I think I'll throw some pigment in a can of linseed oil instead.


Yea, it locks a bit pricey at first but, it spreads 3x more than conventional LO and it "can be thinned out with boiled linseed oil". A qrt. will do a lot more than a 8x8 sheet of canvass. Considering all the other qualities - no smell, not sticky, no mildew and dries in a day, I don't think it's all that bad.

 
twisted_1in66 
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twisted_1in66
09-12-06 10:53 PM - Post#305812    

    In response to Moderator

  • Claude Said:
  • Capn Said:
Here is something that might make things easier for those who want to paint their own canvass:

http://www.solventfreepaint.com/paint/iron_primer_linseed.htm#




Yikes! At $120 per gallon, I think I'll throw some pigment in a can of linseed oil instead.



???? The price I see is $29.95 per gallon.

 
Claude 
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Claude
09-12-06 11:50 PM - Post#305819    

    In response to twisted_1in66

  • twisted_1in66 Said:
  • Claude Said:
  • Capn Said:
Here is something that might make things easier for those who want to paint their own canvass:

http://www.solventfreepaint.com/paint/iron_primer_linseed.htm#




Yikes! At $120 per gallon, I think I'll throw some pigment in a can of linseed oil instead.



???? The price I see is $29.95 per gallon.


This is what I see on the page:

Iron Primer - 1.05 Quart
# 50052
Price: $29.95


That comes to $119.80 per gallon (I rounded it to $120 for dramatic effect)


 
Anonymous 
09-13-06 12:45 PM - Post#305991    

    In response to Moderator

That very quickly takes the price back to the cost of a comercial oilskin trail tarp.

Defeats the whole purpose and leaves us with a very expensive experiment to detirmine if this paint even serves the purpose.

Lots of paints spread well but I would not want to use them on a tarp I was going to carry. And just because it dries in 24 hours on a wood surface does not mean it will not remain sticky when used on fabric.

If it works that's great, but I do not have the money to experiment with it. I can buy a new
GM barrel for that amount!

Edited by ghost on 09-13-06 12:46 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Skagan 
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Skagan
09-15-06 03:13 PM - Post#306844    

    In response to Skagan

It's here!
My 7x7 just arrived and my first impression is that it's too manufactured. The stitching is VERY white against oilskin. I need to tar the seams I guess.
More to come. . .

 
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