Negativity towards Traditions guns

Look guys, everyone cannot afford custom made guns, so please stop knocking people who own and post about their guns. I mean were supposed to be a brotherhood here, so let us all act like it accordingly.

I couldn't care less what anyone shoots. I've seen some pretty good shooting Traditions and CVA rifles. Might be far from correct but from what I've seen they shoot well enough.

There is snobbery here, that is true.

Look at the way flintlock shooters view percussion shooters.

There's snobbery and opinion in all things. Harley vs Honda. Ford vs Chevy. Spy vs Spy. Its just human nature and takes thick skin and the fortitude to ignore it to survive. My personal snobbery is seeing a guy with 10,000 dollars worth the equipment at a rendezvous using a blue enamel coffee pot. BUT I keep my mouth shut (which might have something to do with the guy having a knife, gun, and hawk within arms length.)

I'd be afraid of putting a scratch on my $3,000.00 custom gun ( if I had one). So until then I am perfectly happy shooting and enjoying my TC, CVA, and Traditions guns. They suit me just fine. I would put the Crockett up against any 32 caliber out there as far as accuracy goes.

FishDFly said:

There is snobbery here, that is true.

Look at the way flintlock shooters view percussion shooters.

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As humans, our tendencies are to put ourselves above others. This is where our free will comes in and need to tell ourselves NO, this is not the American way.
We are all better than that!
Flintlocklar

I got a used CVA/Jukar many years ago because that is all I could afford at the time. Likely myself and many others would never get into this sport if it wasn't for these cheaper guns so they do have their place P.C. or not.

There is a place for everything. To each his own and we have our own journeys in life to live.

IF we all thought a like you would all be driving a Ford pickup and have a Lund boat.

Like a good buddy of mine told me years ago, if we all had the same taste in women, everyone would be chasing his wife.

Fleener

I haven't noticed any snobbery here but I am not here all that often, not yet anyway.

Hopefully the offending party apologizes and we can move forward as good people.

Hawk78, what you got? Tell me about your smokepole.

Hawk78 said:

Look guys, everyone cannot afford custom made guns, so please stop knocking people who own and post about their guns. I mean were supposed to be a brotherhood here, so let us all act like it accordingly.

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Like a lot here have been saying it's ingrained into our human psyche, it's called the Us vs Them Paradigm or more commonly referred to as "Othering". It happens at multiple levels within different contexts and there's no escaping it completely.

You can't regulate generosity of spirit.

'This thing of ours' is like any other hierarchy in that there are guys here and on the other forum with 50 or more $10,000 originals in their collections and some guys shooting their dad's old duck taped CVA. Some of the guys at the top are stretched thin with their collecting and some can afford 10x what they have without knocking a dent in the daily interest accrual of their principal. The wide bottom is full of content folks and envious folks and the pointy top of the pyramid houses some generous guys and some cantankerous old snobs that like nothing more than looking down their noses at the rest of us. The only answer to this is to be kind, roughen up your hide, and get out and shoot some Black Powder! (errr, or Walmart substitutes if that's your thing.... ) <----(insincere snobbery)

...and continue posting about your hobby. There's guys with better guns and guys with worse at every level. My dad shoots a CVA and even if Momma would let him, he's never dream of spending more. (And oh how old Pop loves to go to 'othering' when he outshoots me and my fancy pants guns.)

Traditions trapper pistol is extremly accurate..they shoot good..the steel is soft.... so thats why i got 700 shots from it as did another guy with one.BUYER beware of all guns and their forged or non forge parts.Most average people wont shoot a 1000 times ,,so there it is.

I have never owned a tradition's firearm, have been tempted by the Crockett .32 many times.
I own a couple TC Renegade's an CVA, White rifles. Have shot and killed deer with both. Like them all!

I started with a CVA Bobcat that I updated with fiber/plastic rod, TC adjustable sights, and a musket nipple. With these upgrades it became much more reliable and very accurate. It's not a pretty gun, it has a creepy trigger.

For years I thought the TC was "the best of the best" but now I learn that may not be the case. I now have 5 TC's but I haven't shot any. I would love to have a couple of custom flintlocks but those will have to wait.

As a rule, I am a very outgoing and courteous guy. I am also outspoken and make a lot of jokes. If I ever offend anyone here, drop me a message and I'll apologize. If you like, I'll apologize in a forum thread so everyone can see it.

Hell, they all make smoke shot em if ya got em who gives a hoot about what the other fella is a shooting other than he is in the same mind set.

Over the years, I've owned a couple of TC'S, both very nice but I have to say that my lowly Traditions deerhunter rifle has been my favorite. Presently on my third one.

Aint nothing worse than them dadgum right handers!

Back in the sixties and seventies many "cheaper" guns and kits were sold. Most were made in Spain and of questionable quality. The early CVA Flintlocks were a poor designed gun , but the percusions were quite accurate. As time went on the quality improved to the point where the CVA mountain rifles with the "made in USA" barrels were considered top quality.I have assembled over fifty CVA kits. And noticed a big improvement as time went on. Yes, some people think only hand made custom guns are worth having . I have seen people shooting factory CVA's out shoot people with $3000 custom rifles. But then I own fords and only drive Mercedes and BMW's when driving my patrona.

While we all share the zeal of muzzle loading lets just continue to be good Stewards of the hobby.
My bottom line is having a hole in paper where I aim....and putting meat in the Freezer.
Black Powder about summed it up.

Guys, Iv'e been shooting muzzleloaders for nearly a half century and have never seen people whine as much as they do today.
Stop whining, it drives away more people than anything.
The man who whines is worse than the man who criticizes, at least you can learn something from criticism . Go shoot and have fun. Do you guys remember how to have fun?
I don't think many of you do. I think we have all forgotten.