Do you think black powder will become scarce?

TNGhost said:

So your point would be what? That a private entity cannot be engaged in strangling the shooting sports in the U.S.?

Click to expand...

TNGhost said:

So? What;'s your point?

Click to expand...

Guess I could ask the same.

I drive about an hour to buy powder and my answer is to keep the amount that I am allowed to have on hand legally at all times. When I use a few pounds I pick more up and rotate my stockpile in which every canister is marked with date purchased. I agree that there are several potential threats to the future of black powder availability, lower number of traditional powder enthusiasts, government regulation regarding sale, possession and storage and a fear and lack of knowledge from individuals from outside of the shooting sports community. I try and share my passion for the hobby with anyone who shows interest. I don't have an answer to all of the issues surrounding shooting sports today but I do know that we have to be a part of a united voice if we want to protect the things we care about.

Carbon 6 said:

Guess I could ask the same.

Click to expand...

Afraid to show your colors?

Quit avoiding and answer the question.

What is your point in saying hazmat fees are levied by private concerns and not government and what that has to do with the scarcity of black powder.

Carbon 6 said:

I think you guys are getting all lathered up for not.

Click to expand...

Methinks this is the case too.

i spent a career in US Army Explosive Ordnance Disposal. In the 50s-60s and 70s we rendered safe numerous pipe bombs filled with black powder.

Those bombs presented a glorious opportunity for the feds to outlaw black powder. The fact that black powder was not outlawed speaks volumes. Politicians have larger fish to fry.

People doth worry too much.

TNGhost said:

Afraid to show your colors?

Quit avoiding and answer the question.

What is your point in saying hazmat fees are levied by private concerns and not government and what that has to do with the scarcity of black powder.

Click to expand...

What colors ?
What question?
I posted a source quote to clear up any confusion or misconceptions anyone might have about hazmat fees.

Carbon 6 said:

What colors ?
What question?
I posted a source quote to clear up any confusion or misconceptions anyone might have about hazmat fees.

Click to expand...

So clear up the confusion then. Why does it matter who imposes shooting sports strangling, adding to the scarcity of black powder, Hazmat fees. Private entities or the government whats the difference?

Okie Hog said:

Methinks this is the case too.

i spent a career in US Army Explosive Ordnance Disposal. In the 50s-60s and 70s we rendered safe numerous pipe bombs filled with black powder.

Those bombs presented a glorious opportunity for the feds to outlaw black powder. The fact that black powder was not outlawed speaks volumes. Politicians have larger fish to fry.

People doth worry too much.

Click to expand...

Agreed! Ever since Black powder was regulate in 1970 it's had a good safety record. The regulation works. Hard to make the argument otherwise.

"if you are concerned about scarcity of sporting blackpowder in the future in general, bring more shooters into the game. If you are concerned about your personal supply, stock up."


Nice summation.

TNGhost said:

So clear up the confusion then. Why does it matter who imposes shooting sports strangling, adding to the scarcity of black powder, Hazmat fees. Private entities or the government whats the difference?

Click to expand...

I said;

Carbon 6 said:

I posted a source quote to clear up any confusion or misconceptions anyone might have about hazmat fees.

Click to expand...

I said

TNGhost said:

Actually it is just another way of strangling the shooting sports in general in the U.S.

Click to expand...

You said

Carbon 6 said:

Hmm, isn't the fee set by sellers and carriers ?

Click to expand...

I am asking why that would matter to the scarcity of black powder?

So clear up the confusion .

Someone said the hazmat fee was something being charged by the government. Carbon 6 explained that the government was not charging the fee. It was being charged by the private companies that deliver the explosive.

That's all there is to it. Please drop the subject.

csaduck said:

My nephew drives for UPS and there is nothing done different from a Haz-Mat shipping box to a regular box, nothing , not even a special shelf or explosion container on the trucks. The fee is just another way to screw hunters and shooters.

Click to expand...

TNGhost said:

Actually it is just another way of strangling the shooting sports in general in the U.S.

Click to expand...

TNGhost said:

I am asking why that would matter to the scarcity of black powder?

So clear up the confusion .

Click to expand...

Where's the connection between the two ?
How does the hazmat fee connect with scarcity ?
I think maybe you are the one who is confused.

Zonie said:

Someone said the hazmat fee was something being charged by the government. Carbon 6 explained that the government was not charging the fee. It was being charged by the private companies that deliver the explosive.

That's all there is to it. Please drop the subject.

Click to expand...

That's it in a nutshell.

Carbon 6 said:

"The government does not collect or otherwise receive one cent of the hazmat fee. All of it goes to the company for the purpose of investing in employee training and other measures of improving hazmat safety and compliance."

https://www.hazmatuniversity.com/news/using-hazmat-fees-to-share-costs-with-customers/
https://www.hazmatuniversity.com/courses/49-cfr-dot-shipping-by-ground

Click to expand...

If the gov doesn't collect and redistribute the hazmat fees, then who does, the hazmat university?

Carbon 6 said:

What colors ?
What question?
I posted a source quote to clear up any confusion or misconceptions anyone might have about hazmat fees.

Click to expand...

Thanks

lbtresident said:

If the gov doesn't collect and redistribute the hazmat fees, then who does, the hazmat university?

Click to expand...

Please read the quote.

Carbon 6 said:

All of it goes to the company

Click to expand...

Okie Hog said:

Methinks this is the case too.

i spent a career in US Army Explosive Ordnance Disposal. In the 50s-60s and 70s we rendered safe numerous pipe bombs filled with black powder.

Those bombs presented a glorious opportunity for the feds to outlaw black powder. The fact that black powder was not outlawed speaks volumes. Politicians have larger fish to fry.

People doth worry too much.

Click to expand...

I appreciate your service sir. Food for thought, but the times are changing all around us, and we need to be acclimated to new trains of thought.

Carbon 6 said:

Please read the quote.

Click to expand...

You are correct, I did not read the quote, that is the reason I asked you directly. Being a little lazy today. Thanks

Ive rarely seen the gov not get their cut in any fees dealing with the American public, so I assumed.

lbtresident said:

Ive rarely seen the gov not get their cut in any fees dealing with the American public, so I assumed.

Click to expand...

What the Government really gets out of it is safety compliance, and that is worth far more than the $25 fee. It benefits all of us, and maintains our sport.