Guys I don't know who all and how much to thank all of you but if you look in Flint rifles you'll see another post of mine..all of this was learned here THANKS all... anyway bought a carolina smoothie off here and took it to the range the pix says the rest...the one flyer is my fault smoothie was a little slow going off (uncharacteristic for it)and I raised my head.Now the load info... range was 60yds charge was 80gr FFg with a wonder wad 20ga from oxyoke over powder and the ball.. NO patch on ball.The ball was hand cast pure scrap lead from a lee mold I think any whitetail inside of 60yds may not have such a good day!!!!! :grin: BTW a 62 cal